Message from @devpav

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2018-12-05 19:25:57 UTC  

they wouldn't

2018-12-05 19:26:10 UTC  

Uh, China has 1.6 billion domestic consumers.

2018-12-05 19:26:14 UTC  

Rus. has terrible infrastructure

2018-12-05 19:27:15 UTC  

China currently produces for itself and multiple other countries

2018-12-05 19:27:23 UTC  

X > X-Y

2018-12-05 19:27:52 UTC  

I'd also point out that the people working in sweatshops aren't exactly going to pick up the slack on consumption

2018-12-05 19:28:10 UTC  

I'm arguing for the defense of EU citizens though

2018-12-05 19:28:11 UTC  

C+NX > C is obvious but beside the point. It's up to China to decide how quickly it shifts NX into C.

2018-12-05 19:29:05 UTC  

Make sweatshops Nike again.

2018-12-05 19:29:50 UTC  

>you have enough factories to produce for multiple other consumer states, including some of the richest nations on the planet
>lol make that up with your own population alone, including the people you pay poorly

2018-12-05 19:29:54 UTC  

@m1 Why do EU citizens matter more

2018-12-05 19:29:55 UTC  

It sounds like a new mandate to grow a consumption-based economy would make sweatshop labor untenable in China. What's not to like about that situation?

2018-12-05 19:30:17 UTC  

Than Chinese?

2018-12-05 19:30:49 UTC  

>would make sweatshop labour untenable
How so? They can't trade with you and now need to produce less. People will just starve

2018-12-05 19:30:59 UTC  

The Chinese should act in their best interests same with the Europeans

2018-12-05 19:31:07 UTC  

i agree

2018-12-05 19:31:26 UTC  

No, they need to grow to produce more for their own people. The same way the West did a century ago.

2018-12-05 19:31:50 UTC  

They are just in the middle class trap

2018-12-05 19:32:04 UTC  

>they will need to produce more for their own people
They *overproduce*. That's why they can sell shit off

2018-12-05 19:32:24 UTC  
2018-12-05 19:33:24 UTC  

They don't overproduce, they underconsume.

2018-12-05 19:33:31 UTC  

that is correct

2018-12-05 19:34:12 UTC  

China also does not have a history of pursuing policies that cause fewer people to starve

2018-12-05 19:34:20 UTC  

The problem seems more innately philosophical

2018-12-05 19:34:45 UTC  

China killed over 100 million people pursuing policies

2018-12-05 19:34:47 UTC  

So the notion that a reconsolidated Chinese government is going to suddenly uproot itself for people whose houses they bulldoze is fairytale tier

2018-12-05 19:34:53 UTC  

Yup

2018-12-05 19:34:57 UTC  

ever hear the story of Mao killing the birds?

2018-12-05 19:35:02 UTC  

I have

2018-12-05 19:35:15 UTC  

My point is that your empathetic policy isn't especially empathetic

2018-12-05 19:36:43 UTC  

my point was sorta just you need to do a serious analysis of the problem

2018-12-05 19:37:14 UTC  

Your initial argument was that they were slaves and that it was bad and wrong to support that. The reality though is that if they weren't working there, many of them likely wouldn't be working. The Chinese government would likely not restructure unless there was another large revenue stream and those people would die

2018-12-05 19:37:17 UTC  

and that its sorta dangerous to just say. lets make sweet sweet money cause that's how to stay competitive

2018-12-05 19:37:35 UTC  

That's an oversimplification from someone asking for serious analysis

2018-12-05 19:37:41 UTC  

Oof

2018-12-05 19:38:04 UTC  

Kek

2018-12-05 19:38:28 UTC  

i just said that was one point of the issue

2018-12-05 19:38:48 UTC  

but the biggest point id make is that more profit now might hurt a country down the line

2018-12-05 19:38:53 UTC  

So whats the argument about so we stay in line?

2018-12-05 19:39:14 UTC  

In what way?

2018-12-05 19:39:20 UTC  

Compared to what also?