Unless you believe in God.

Especially if you believe in God

Only if you believe in theistic relativism.

I don't know of any theist that does.

If morality is God's will, then it is just his subjective opinion.

That's a pretty weird take. Where did you get the idea that God's will is an "opinion"?

That's a very strange interpretation.

Is something good because God commands it or does he command it because it is good?

It's still an odd line of reasoning but the latter would be more appropriate if I had to choose.

What is God then?

That's a question that has been explored for millennia. That answer can only be truly sought in a personal relationship with God. Now, that isn't to say that morality is subjective because one's relationship with God is personal. The relationship is individual, but that to which you are relating is unchanging.

Though I generally like to refer to God as the higher moral order.

That sounds pretty fucking subjective to me.

It means that you have to overcome your subjective tendencies as a human being to understand something which is not subjective.

A personal relationship doesn't mean you get to decide whatever you want.

Something being subjective doesn't mean you get to decide either. Value is subjective but people don't choose their values.

Subjective means taking place solely within one's own mind, but the relationship is a relationship to that which is outside of the individual.

That's why they say "let God into your heart"

If I value an object, but the object exists outside of my mind, does that make the value objective?

The point is that you can have a subjective view of the higher moral order, but that doesn't mean the higher moral order itself is subjective.

What do you mean by "the higher moral order"?

God

What do you mean by "God"?

that's quite a straw man

>flag
>God

can you spot the difference? 🤔 🤔 🤔

What do you mean by "God"?

I already answered that question. Read the Bible if you want to know.

Circular reasoning bruh.

>What is this rock?
limestone
>what is limestone?
a type of rock
>What is this rock?
limestone
>Circular reasoning!

... what did you expect from circular questioning?

Going full postmodernist on me doesn't help your argument that morality is objective.

I'm going full postmodernist? This really isn't a genuine discussion anymore.

I never understood why I had to pledge to the flag every morning. Did my allegiance expire over night?

it's a picture of a pipe, not a pipe. halfthink btfo

@H3llbender I don't really get the difference between NIT and UBI. That said, all conservatives I've talked over the internet call me a commie for supporting NIT/UBI... even though Finnish ancaps (reluctantly) support NIT/UBI because why it's not go-die-in-the-gutter welfare model, it's the closes to that that there could be.

Still too socialist for Tim Pool.

I guess it's the idea of paying even the people unwilling to work that grinds the gears the most, despite existing welfare systems also paying to the unwilling, as long as you play the system correctly and pretend to be willing. UBI is openly OK with unwilling to work getting paid, which causes moral outrage.

@whiic NIT is friedman's version of UBI, i.e. All NITs are UBIs but not all UBIs are NITs.

Also you need to find a higher quality of conservative

Leftists propose UBIs as solutions to automation, Libertarians propose NITs as solutions to welfare