Message from @pratel
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like hopefully it doesnt alert them of u using a 4 second clip of like CNN or sum shiz
lol theyd hire a person just to tell teh CM system to take em all down
Cortez has the crazy eyes
LOL well u you know what they say.... crazy in the head, crazy in the bed XD
(its a joke pls dont kill me)
How dare you, sir
Sir
How dare you
I really would like more leftist and alt rightist in here. Debate needs more than a few people sounding philosophical and world wise who in reality probably know little and are talking.out our ass. Well, I guess Lefty's and alt-right would still be that. But we could use more sides at least
lol yeah i feel ya just feels like too much effort to make a devils argument you dont believe in it
nothing like someone whos commited to their radical views to really get to the core of it
If you cannot defend and reiterate someone's point from the ground up, you cannot truly debate them at all
It's why I liked being in a ancap server so much
Let me ask them questions to truly figure out their side
I'm a token Libertarian.
yeah for real. i mean here its nice that there isnt ppl spouting out their crazy radical ideas every which way but for debates its different
Only problem is that I ran out of stuff to ask questions about, all that remained was to read all the books the why guy said to read. Because his arguments where "this is fact, because of X's arguments in Y book."
and even then there is a reasonable way to at least articulate those ideas
Which tells me he didn't really understand what he was reading
even if the ideas arent reasonable
My solution: The rationalist community.
It's almost exclusively leftists (over 60% if memory serves) and almost all the rest is shades of libertarian.
But the less than 5% of reactionaries are vastly over represented in their servers because it's one of the few places where people are committed to having productive debate.
Slate Star Codex is amazing.
The problem is finding one that is not completely closed, then make them not feel attacked.
I don't understand Ocasio-Cortez' 'I was posting as an activist' statement. Like if you're an activist you're allowed to be ignorant about an issue?
yeah if you cant at least summarize said arguments in a book you didnt understand them fully
Which I admit, is very hard to do when you enter a server full of people ideologically opposed
even if u summarise them poorly its a good start
And I don't really mean physically attacked, but like ganged up on and not able to talk before being cut off
I think everyone is ignorant on something.
It's more an issue that she was taking a position she didn't really understand and she's running (essentially already won) for a position of power where her votes would have very real consequences.
yeah as bad as chats are for that tell me it wouldnt be 100x worse in a real room with like even 10 people in it hahha
As much as we hate safe spaces, youd really need to make a leftist and a rightist feel comfortable and welcome
And Israel is a very sensitive topic to alot of people.
It seems being an activist is something that politicans do not know much about. Then again, how many politicians of yesteryear are still activists?
I don't think it's a 'safe space' issue as much as it's a decorum issue.
@Grenade123 yeah well thats what civil discourse is all about
Right but I don't like when people hear a half-assed version of a story and immediately hop on twitter with their garbage hot takes...which I am now realizing describes half of twitter
It's just funny to see someone like that now a likely member of congress
You don't have to be well-versed on policies. Just issues and emotions now. Populism rules the day. It also rues the day.
It's like, on a free un-moderated server everyone wants to talk so the dominant position tends to overwhelm opposition.
It would be more effective if it were more like a formal debate with timed positions to avoid keeping people from getting overwhelmed.
Reddit is the worst at this, because then you get ideologically minded down/up voters.
Remember, these people live with a very fragile view or the world. And any time it is so little as cracked scares them.
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