the nature of art is just that though, ANYTHING can be art

No

this is where we disagree

"I bought for this much, therefore it's worth this much, and it can be used as that amount of money between other rich people."

Thats a redefinition

Like racism being prejudice + power

lol

So whenever you see something called Art that is clearly shit, that makes you say "Oh shut the fuck up" Just remember: It's tax evasion.

art means produced with conscious artistry

And unlike that redefinition it holds no utility

It's LEGAL tax evasion.

So don't be as mad. lol

you all are non creative types so i am not surprised that you are authoritarian on this subject

haha

heh

How authoritarian

wow i love modern art now

i am partly trolling

To tell me I'm not a creative type

but partly not

i'm a game developer, i create every day,

I still don't call myself an artist 😛

antifa doesn't call themselves authoritarians

i would label game development as an art but i dont know what that makes you mad, lol

It doesn't, you got upset that i said not everything can just be slapped "art" on and it magically becomes art

ah i gotta go for a minute but nice discussion with you chaps

alrighty, peace bud

👌

The one that always irks me is the game one

What is or isn't a video game

it could be an audio game

Because I've not heard a definition that includes walking sims and doesn't include basically all entertainment software

If it has an interactive game element displayed visually in it its a video game

my mouse pointer is a video game

Game element is the key

It has to be a game

It can't be "hold forward until the end"

Game element is the key,

Because if its just "a story" in visualisation

A pdf of a book is "a game" 😛

I've heard people say it's just any software you use for entertainment

scrolling down to read the next page is interaction, and its graphically visualised

But theres no game element to it

@Atkins If you read between the lines in the Guardian article. Druckman and Kaplan are representatives of major studios. Most of the remainder appear to be university faculty, on galleries or very small studios. It's like movies. These are the guys who make those really awful hyper-politicized indie movies no one watches and teaches the next generation of movie makers what to put in their films (and then hand out the awards)

So I asked them how they'd rate GIMP as a game