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2019-07-24 16:43:32 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Whatโ€™s your issue with radiometric dating

2019-07-24 16:44:09 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

?

2019-07-24 16:50:04 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Radiometric dating gets more and more accurate as we get better at it

2019-07-24 16:50:07 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Yes it can

2019-07-24 16:50:18 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Itโ€™s dated rocks to 1% margin of error

2019-07-24 16:50:23 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

There will always be error bars

2019-07-24 16:50:30 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

But the point is is itโ€™s extremely precise

2019-07-24 16:50:36 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Study a little how we use radiometric dating

2019-07-24 16:50:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Do you even know the equation we use for Potassium Argon then?

2019-07-24 16:51:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

What is it?

2019-07-24 16:51:08 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Then you havenโ€™t studied it

2019-07-24 16:51:55 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Thatโ€™s

2019-07-24 16:51:59 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Thatโ€™s what we use to date things

2019-07-24 16:52:00 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

A..

2019-07-24 16:52:03 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Are you serious?

2019-07-24 16:53:52 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Listen

2019-07-24 16:54:02 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Iโ€™m going to attempt to give you a lesson in radiometric dating

2019-07-24 16:54:15 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And Iโ€™m gonna hope that by the end of this, you throw out the idea that itโ€™s inaccurate

2019-07-24 16:54:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We have an equation

2019-07-24 16:54:37 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

N(t) = N_0 e^-kt

2019-07-24 16:54:49 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Where N_0 = the initial value

2019-07-24 16:54:55 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

e is Eulers number

2019-07-24 16:55:08 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

k is the constant of proportionality

2019-07-24 16:55:11 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

and t is time

2019-07-24 16:55:14 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Do you understand?

2019-07-24 16:55:50 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Okay

2019-07-24 16:56:04 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We know that argon has 8 electrons, and thus has little to no reactivity

2019-07-24 16:56:07 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Do you agree

2019-07-24 16:56:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Okay

2019-07-24 16:57:05 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We know that by using quantum physics, we can calculate the half life of potassium 40, an isotope of potassium, to be 1.25 billion years

2019-07-24 16:57:07 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Do you agree?

2019-07-24 16:59:35 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Yes

2019-07-24 16:59:54 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We know that K-40, potassium 40, decays into two atoms

2019-07-24 17:00:03 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

since itโ€™s radioactive

2019-07-24 17:00:39 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Argon 40, and Calcium 39

2019-07-24 17:00:53 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We know that 11% is argon 40, and 89% is Ca 39

2019-07-24 17:00:57 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

No

2019-07-24 17:01:06 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

One of the neutrons turns into an electron

2019-07-24 17:01:09 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Pretty sure

2019-07-24 17:01:13 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Maybe proton

2019-07-24 17:01:35 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And if we have some sort of volcanic eruption, the lava is illiquid

2019-07-24 17:01:39 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Liquid**

2019-07-24 17:02:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

That means that any argon 40 in there, since itโ€™s low reactivity, is free to move out of the lava

2019-07-24 17:02:21 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Itโ€™s probably an error

2019-07-24 17:02:36 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  
2019-07-24 17:03:00 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Because of this, we know that any argon 40 in the rock must have came from the parent element

2019-07-24 17:03:03 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Which is K-40

2019-07-24 17:03:33 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Good

2019-07-24 17:03:39 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Now, we can get to the fun part

2019-07-24 17:04:00 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

It would be easier if I could send pictures

2019-07-24 17:04:40 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We can take our original equation, N_0 times e^-kt = N(t)

2019-07-24 17:05:17 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Iโ€™ll have to read up on that then

2019-07-24 17:05:35 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Itโ€™s irrelevant to this discussion though

2019-07-24 17:05:44 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

All we care about is Argon 40

2019-07-24 17:06:09 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We can plug in 1.25B to our equation for t

2019-07-24 17:06:15 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And set it equal to 1/2 N(t)

2019-07-24 17:06:46 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Because in 1.25 billion years, weโ€™ll have half the amount of K-40

2019-07-24 17:07:00 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

N(t) is the amount of K-40

2019-07-24 17:07:18 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

So we have 1/2 N_0=N_0 e^-k*1.25B

2019-07-24 17:07:47 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Why?

2019-07-24 17:07:58 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

No no

2019-07-24 17:08:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We donโ€™t even need to measure it

2019-07-24 17:08:08 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We can actually calculate the initial amount

2019-07-24 17:08:16 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Iโ€™ll show you

2019-07-24 17:08:20 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Bare with me

2019-07-24 17:08:41 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We have So we have 1/2 N_0=N_0 e^-k*1.25B

2019-07-24 17:08:48 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Which is half the initial amount

2019-07-24 17:08:58 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We can divide N_0 on both sides

2019-07-24 17:09:12 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

To get 1/2 = e^-k*1.25B

2019-07-24 17:09:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Apply ln to both sides

2019-07-24 17:09:28 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Or the natural logarithm

2019-07-24 17:09:48 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Thisโ€™ll get you ln(1/2)= -k*1.25B

2019-07-24 17:10:11 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Divide -1.25 B and you get k= ln(1/2) / -1.25B

2019-07-24 17:10:37 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Are you still with me?

2019-07-24 17:10:59 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Now

2019-07-24 17:11:12 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Letโ€™s say we find our current amount of K-40 to be 1mg

2019-07-24 17:11:22 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And our current A-40 to be 0.01 mg

2019-07-24 17:11:48 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

This is something we can find using normal means

2019-07-24 17:12:06 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We want to know โ€œhow old is this rockโ€

2019-07-24 17:13:15 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We have this equation
1mg (current amount) = N_0*e^-kt

2019-07-24 17:13:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And we already know k

2019-07-24 17:13:25 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

All we need is the initial amount

2019-07-24 17:14:10 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We have 1mg, our current, plus .01/11%

2019-07-24 17:14:33 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Because remember, we have a certain amount of K-40 that had to decay into .01mg of Argon

2019-07-24 17:14:43 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And that argon is 11% of that

2019-07-24 17:14:54 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

So .01/11% will get us the amount that decayed

2019-07-24 17:15:31 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Still with me?

2019-07-24 17:16:23 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Now

2019-07-24 17:16:26 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Doing some fancy maths

2019-07-24 17:16:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We can isolate t

2019-07-24 17:16:38 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And calculate it to be 157 million years

2019-07-24 17:16:47 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

This

2019-07-24 17:16:49 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Thus

2019-07-24 17:16:54 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We know the age of our rock

2019-07-24 17:17:06 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

The rock as a whole

2019-07-24 17:17:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Do you see why this works now?

2019-07-24 17:18:27 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

What donโ€™t you understand

2019-07-24 17:21:14 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Wow

2019-07-24 17:21:23 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We didnโ€™t **assume** 157 million years

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