So the flat-earthers do not have a model that they agree about?

Could it's finite nature or infinite be observed?

(don't those pics violate community guidelines 17 and 18? @Citizen Z)

Oh, so if, like, some did find the edge of the world, they'd silenced?

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What's the globe industry?

(it is definitely condescending, if not likely, imo)

(doesn't matter who thinks it's accurate, the guidelines say to be respectful)

Interesting. So, because the idea of a global earth is making money, they won't change the story to match reality. In fact, they have so much money, that we can't even really pursue reality because they control the story.

So, there is no scientific agreement about a model to replace the globe model? We just know that the current model is wrong?

Hey, Z, could you please explain that to me? Distance and the curvature and stuff?

has anyone tried to shoot a laser across the ocean?

shoot, would probably be illegal

you could take out planes with that thing XD

i've heard globers say that gravity only partially affects light, but i don't know anything about lasers

so, like, are we sure that cameras can accurately record lasers? is there anything we have to correct for when we do that?

I don't believe in gravity

but i don't have anyone to tell me what the other options are

...watching people get upset really isn't up my ally

ok, but why aren't observing effects the result of an experiment? like, in the video, the laser didn't bend with the curve of the earth, and that's an effect, right?

I'm stupid. Im the gif with the shore line, why isn't that just the sea level changing with the tides?

But this happens from every shoreline at predictable times regardless of the weather and never on flat stretched of land over the same distance, with the same weather conditions. So how does the atmosphere change when it's over water? @Logrian

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Wait. Why *can't* Mass attract mass? Why is that impossible?

Why is it impossible for mass to attract mass?

What *is* an experiment?

I still don't know what an experiment actually is....

Um, the models you posted above?

Ok, fair. I really like the one with the sun and moon, most depictions leave those out.

I'm curious though... Does how the light is shaped make it look like a bubble earth instead of a flat earth?

Ooooh, ok

The second image helps too, thx

Ok, so from the image, we can take some measurements, right?
1) The distance from the "south" tip of Australia to the "south" to of South of America (just to pick two opposite locations) can objectively be measured.
2) The edges of the light (measured in lumins?) at a specific "sea level" hight can be taken over a course of several months.
3) The distance of the Earth that the light covers can be compared to the distance of the sun from the furthest opposite point of land.
4) We estimate the size of the sun

So, if we can measure the size of the sun, can we measure how far away it is?

So, we can physically measure the size of the sun, right? By measuring the size of the Earth and using the rules of perspective and atmospheric disturbances(?). Right? (I'm sure I'm missing something, this is just what that depiction seemed to show)

No, like, physically measure the Earth and atmosphere stuff. Just like you can figure out the size of the oil rigs by knowing how far away they are, we can figure out the size of the sun by measuring the Earth and how much light lands on it

And then once we know how far away it is, we can figure a way to physically approach and measure the sun itself

I'm talking about a flat Earth? The one in the image posted above?

Flat Earth PhD was talking with me about it. He posted the pictures

I like collecting possible experiments that I can't afford 😂

I wonder if there is open source information we could use

Oh, that's be cool

Oh wow

😂.

Maybe some weird eccentric billionaire could fund it 🙃

We did a weather balloon study in school. The students out all the parts together but the school funded it.

Oooh, cool

I wonder if we could get a grant for that project

That kind of data would be super useful for a lot of different analysis

Like determining air pollution, or the concentration of ozone

Right

Just get the data, and analysis it. Publish the results and possible uses of the information

Then make your own conclusions on the data

Give them what they want, and they pay you to get what you want

They put formaldehyde in some vaccines. It's under the "acceptable amount," tho

I'm listening, @SiliconBassist ! I'm trying to keep up

Oh. I thought we were agreeing about vaccines so I didn't see the need to move it. My bad

And I'm watching silicon

Oh, cool. Sorry, didn't see it 😬

So why are you refreshing, silicon? Do you like the math, or application?

Neat? What's your work, if you don't mind my asking?

Ah, ok. And you studied this stuff "a couple of years" ago O.o

I'm impressed

Yup. Impressed.

o.o

Cya!

Wait, can you explain what you mean, please? I don't get what the studio had to do with anything ?

Um, question: When the guys in wooden boats sailed in a straight line (directly east or west) from their countries to try to get to a country on the other side of the globe, how come it worked?

Oh. I thought they followed the stars.

Pls remember that I've been taught the same thing for a long time...it will take a while for me to figure out what seems obvious

Wait. Polaris doesn't move, but the other stars move in relation to it. So the dome is spinning?

...or the sun, moon, and earth-disk are spinning under a stationary dome, and the disk is slight wobbly 🤔

o.o

So, if we weren't vertical bipeds, and if we didn't orient our perceptions according to our heads being "up" and our feet being "down," then all compasses would always point south?

I think I just confused myself 😵

Ok, so I get Polaris. What's the south celestial pole? And I'm good with a disk inside a bubble instead of a dome.

whoa o.o

Yeah, culture is slow to adapt sometimes

So what about the stars moving? What's actually in motion?

Have we arranged them according to which would be the mostly easily tested, and what tools we would need to perform the tests?

Ok, sure. But that's them and we don't need them

What are the ingredients, and where is our recipe?
Do we k ow exactly how much $$$ it would take to do the first step?
Is there a less expensive project we could work on in the mean time?

Yeah, I get that :/

I just wonder....if everyone spends their time playing pingpong with "the Earth is flat" and "no it's not" and "yes it is" and "*insults your mom*" that we won't actually get anywhere :(

XD

Nice

I think, first, I'd like to see what we do accept from the mainstream in order to avoid spending money on unnecessary duplicates

Like you were saying the mass spectrometry. Do we need to prove that the machines are accurate, or can we just buy one?

Yeah. Like, what tools are we willing to use without going thru the cash to prove it?

Once we get a good understanding of things we *don't* question, it will be a whole lot easier to organize the hypotheses that need to replace current models

We'll, that's science

Once we know what's wrong, we can figure out where to adjust the experiments

Right, absolutely

Yush

Oooh, very cool

Can you get ppl in different locations to do the same experiments?

Dude. Very cool

😂

I need more info on that, seriously

But I gtg run errands