yes

ya

guess it depends on what you mean by 'see'

can see a blotch there but won't be able to make out detail

you can 'see' letters at the doctors office but can't read them

yep

till we had telescopes we couldn't tell it was a crater

just a different shade

try it tonight, it's a mostly full moon

Do you have good eyes?

@RidleyChozo gonna do soem planetary imaging with that?

Give it a try

yep

yep

it's pretty big

the biggest one on there apparently

@Erylla _ToT_TiB they don't, nasa admits it

hmmm lets see if that makes sense

calculate the angular size

first start with angular size calculation

Do you know how to do that

That the earth is flat

@jeremy it's easy

it's size/distance

that gives you radians

convert to degrees then

there's 6.28 radians in 360 degree

ok lemme try

ok that comes out to .02 degrees approximately

Moon itself is 1/2 degree

@jeremy that's not the hypothesis though

the gravity hypothesis isn't "this is the cause of gravity"

I told you about this the other day and you forgot it already?

So im just wondering , does the moon change size as it sets?

right

we just know the force exists

just like we don't know the cause of magnetism

but the FORCE of gravity CAUSES objects to move

Your scientific method understanding is fof

@jeremy so i could say gravity is caused by mass

like you say magnetism is caused by motion of electric charges

How do we verify anything about the kola borehole?

seems difficult, like going to the space station

only certain ppl would be allowed to it

Seems hypocritical to believe one and not hte other

K, i believe both

so as to not be inconsistent

@Atlas the Friendly Robot ya that's inconsistent

I like maintaining critical thinking standards

And not cherry picking

hmmm

I also can't go tthe top of mount everest myself

due to money and physical ability

And you need a permit to do that

But i don't suspect the top of everest is fake

ok so heres a tough one

anyoen can do the Vendee globe sailing race

which goes around the south pole

the route goes west to east, and they have to turn right to stay on course

this alone defeats the idea of an ice wall

K

But anything that discredits that can be said about mount everest

@jeremy so how did we verify electrons are the cause of magnetism

how is that different than unicorn farts

@Citizen Z can say the same about everest

@jeremy right we only know the effect

Oh i believe it

but the problem is you can make a similar statement about gravity

depends on what level you're talkign about

what causes the motion of electric charges to have this magnetic field

see the problem

you misunderstand the scientific method

doesn't work does it

@jeremy 2nd law of thermo says those thigns are impossible

the same law you guys cite about gas needing a container

ya the universe doesn't allow that to happen

it's like trying to get a swing to move forever

magnets act like swings and springs

Unless you've found a monopole

yes

and

magnets can't provide energy

they can only transform it

@Citizen Z Doesn't matter, it's on earth and anyoen can do it

So by your logic it's evidence that is verifiable

yep

k

so how is the kola hole verifiable

or the top of everest

Well you can go and do this yourself

like you said, it's on the ground , not in space

WHy not

What's stopping you

Sorry I'm not hearing a reason here

@jeremy so do you understand the triangulation yet

@Citizen Z I don't know, but i could find out by doing it

@jeremy would a livestream video from space end it too?

which law does it break

no , a circle goes one direction

CCW or CW