RogueReflector

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2019-10-15 02:58:46 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@jeremy simple geometry

2019-10-15 02:59:28 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@jeremy for the sun it doesn't work bc the angles change is too small

2019-10-15 02:59:53 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

For the moon yes it works. We can measure it's parallax from diff places on the earth

2019-10-15 03:00:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Dunno what that would do, no matter what we see the apparent position of every object

2019-10-15 03:00:35 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

That's just a give

2019-10-15 03:00:45 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Moons distance

2019-10-15 03:01:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

The measured distance between the locations

2019-10-15 03:01:56 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

That's what's used

2019-10-15 03:06:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Are they?

2019-10-15 03:06:32 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Because we have total solar eclipse and partial solar eclipses

2019-10-15 03:06:41 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Seems the moon changes size a bit

2019-10-15 03:06:52 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Turns out it changes by 14%

2019-10-15 03:07:11 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Close to the same size

2019-10-15 03:07:16 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

It not exactly

2019-10-15 03:07:37 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Within about 7%

2019-10-15 03:07:42 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Yep

2019-10-15 03:07:53 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And inclined

2019-10-15 03:07:59 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

So take the cosine of that

2019-10-15 03:08:17 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@jeremy they're close but not quite the same

2019-10-15 03:08:35 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Again about 7% . If you call that the same ok, but I don't

2019-10-15 03:10:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Yes

2019-10-15 03:10:06 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Within 7%

2019-10-15 03:10:28 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Well could be up to 14% diff really

2019-10-15 03:10:42 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@SunRazor ha I dunno, I think it's diameter?

2019-10-15 03:10:56 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  
2019-10-15 03:11:21 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Right

2019-10-15 03:11:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Be cause it's further away

2019-10-15 03:12:13 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

The angle change is too small to measure

2019-10-15 03:12:34 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Ya and with a large enough distance this method is too inaccurate

2019-10-15 03:13:08 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Ya but the angle change we get when we do this on the moon is a number much large than the uncertainty in our instrument

2019-10-15 03:13:22 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

No they're different

2019-10-15 03:13:30 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Indicating the moon is much closer

2019-10-15 03:14:18 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Ya I think you're missing something

2019-10-15 03:15:21 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@jeremy ya that makes no sense

2019-10-15 03:15:32 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

What angle are you talking about

2019-10-15 03:15:48 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Diff numbers for what

2019-10-15 03:16:21 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

You aren't explaining your idea properly

2019-10-15 03:16:31 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

K

2019-10-15 03:16:44 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Yep

2019-10-15 03:17:37 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

K

2019-10-15 03:18:29 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

How far apart are the two observers h

2019-10-15 03:19:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

How about west coast of us and east coast

2019-10-15 03:19:22 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Say 2000 miles

2019-10-15 03:19:44 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Well then. When one is in totality the other is not, and will see the sun partially covered

2019-10-15 03:20:12 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

K let's put them right on top of each other

2019-10-15 03:20:39 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Not the umbra

2019-10-15 03:20:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Totality is about 70 miles wide

2019-10-15 03:21:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Ya for a small instant

2019-10-15 03:21:13 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

K

2019-10-15 03:21:15 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Then what

2019-10-15 03:21:34 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

K, they would get slightly different angles

2019-10-15 03:21:44 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Pretty small, so not a good separation

2019-10-15 03:23:15 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

During a total solar eclipse the moon is slightly larger than the sun, that's why totality is like 2 minutes long

2019-10-15 03:23:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Or maybe more

2019-10-15 03:24:19 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@jeremy that bigger, is completely unrelated to the angles

2019-10-15 03:25:38 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Right, when you try this method on the sun, it appears to be so far away compared to the base of any two oberver leg

2019-10-15 03:25:59 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

And the angles can't be measured accurately enough

2019-10-15 03:26:22 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We try it and find that the distance is large, and we don't know it precisely, with that method

2019-10-15 03:26:51 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Right, but this method can tell you it's too far for the method to give a good value

2019-10-15 03:27:08 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Because the angles we get when we do this on the moon are laregly different

2019-10-15 03:27:20 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

When observers are far apart

2019-10-15 03:34:23 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

We barely see any angle change from one location to the next

2019-10-15 03:34:52 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Kinda like if your looking at a mountain far away, and walk 3 ft to the right, it's still in front of you

2019-10-15 03:36:50 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@SunRazor that would work but it'd be really small

2019-10-15 12:00:58 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@jeremy we fixed you misunderstanding of the scientific method yesterday

2019-10-15 19:00:06 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@jeremy when you observe the moon and the sun, from two differt places on earth, the angle to the moon changes way more than it does for the sun

2019-10-15 19:03:11 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

These guys try so hard to deny reality to make the flat Earth fit

2019-10-15 19:03:24 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Anything that contradictted their view is deemed fake

2019-10-15 19:04:22 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@H8mz88 that would yield inaccurate distances between places

2019-10-15 19:05:23 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Howndo you propose to measure it

2019-10-15 19:05:33 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  
2019-10-15 19:05:44 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Is that true?

2019-10-15 19:06:06 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Granite surface plates

2019-10-15 19:06:28 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Are those labels correct?

2019-10-15 19:07:12 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@RidleyChozo is the caption on that image accurate?

2019-10-15 19:07:45 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Ok so what if I post an image of a spherical earth with a caption, and call it accurate

2019-10-15 19:08:27 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Did you verify the claims in those captions

2019-10-15 19:08:59 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Photos and video can be faked, but even more easily can text on a picture

2019-10-15 19:09:11 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

@oฦƒวW is right

2019-10-15 19:09:41 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Was robotham telling the truth?

2019-10-15 19:10:28 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

I dunno. The sphere maps give accurate headings distances and locations

2019-10-15 19:10:45 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

I say that Trump's these suspicious flat Earth "experiments"

2019-10-15 19:12:31 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Seems like the atmosphere disturbs light

2019-10-15 19:12:44 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Does that mean any laser test done by flat Earthers needs to be thrown out

2019-10-15 19:13:46 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

K what would that prove, when we know the atmosphere messes with light

2019-10-15 19:13:53 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Non sequitur

2019-10-15 19:14:04 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

I can see laser light from a source when standing behind it

2019-10-15 19:14:57 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Or you just see it shining, like lights from a city far away

2019-10-15 19:15:14 UTC [The Ice Wall #civil-debate]  

Without seeing the bldgs themselves

2019-10-15 19:19:35 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Nor a concave one

2019-10-15 19:20:01 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

No concave map accurately does distances

2019-10-15 19:20:20 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

I answered you in the other room did you see that

2019-10-15 19:20:37 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

@jeremy here I'll try again

2019-10-15 19:21:00 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Stand somewhere right under the moon.

2019-10-15 19:21:10 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Call that angle of 0 bc it's right over head

2019-10-15 19:21:47 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Now move east 3000 miles, and point at the middle of the moon, measure the angle from overhead

2019-10-15 19:22:04 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Do the same with the sun

2019-10-15 19:22:24 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

The angles that you get for the sun are like zero, but for the moon they're larger

2019-10-15 19:23:04 UTC [The Ice Wall #lounge]  

Can be done any time

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