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2018-06-11 23:07:42 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

so they never fix their own

2018-06-11 23:08:15 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

This video is an explanation of it in a few minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

2018-06-11 23:08:21 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Vobeyo do you have an opinion on the 'brain drain' point?

2018-06-11 23:08:31 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Those who are very smart and skilled in Africa don't stay because they can get to the west and the west lets them in

2018-06-11 23:08:35 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

because we like to let smart people in obviously

2018-06-11 23:08:51 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

how much of a factor do you think it is?

2018-06-11 23:09:00 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

let's say IQ is a really big deal and a big reason

2018-06-11 23:09:17 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

The 130-150 IQ people in Africa are able to be relatively successful there and gather enough money to leave

2018-06-11 23:09:23 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

and they do, because they can be wayyyyyyyyyy better off

2018-06-11 23:09:37 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

yes, and it's a good point

2018-06-11 23:09:43 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

that skilled immigration is immoral and hurts other countries

2018-06-11 23:09:51 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

it is vobeyo

2018-06-11 23:10:02 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

I've worked with several smart indian and asian immigrants who contribute so much value

2018-06-11 23:10:08 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

it's obviously useful

2018-06-11 23:10:14 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

If you can have a top 1% worker in any industry working with you

2018-06-11 23:10:18 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

net benefit or net detriment to you?

2018-06-11 23:10:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Is it about race or values?

2018-06-11 23:11:14 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

@Roman Dmowski let's say skilled immigrants are 0.01% of immigrants.

2018-06-11 23:11:21 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

In that case, it makes no difference demographically.

2018-06-11 23:11:25 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Assuming your race argument is correct.

2018-06-11 23:12:00 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

look he's a racist we can argue "but muh racist"

2018-06-11 23:12:03 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

or we could argue the points

2018-06-11 23:12:04 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

lol

2018-06-11 23:12:34 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

the facts are way more interesting

2018-06-11 23:12:42 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

so vobeyo let's just assume

2018-06-11 23:12:58 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

via skilled immigrant visas (easier to get), we immigrate only the top 5% workers from any industry

2018-06-11 23:13:03 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

and they are 0.0001% of immigrants

2018-06-11 23:13:06 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

is that a net good or bad to US

2018-06-11 23:13:28 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

let's say asian, indian, african. the non-whites

2018-06-11 23:13:36 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

even saudi-arabian

2018-06-11 23:13:47 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

let's say you bring in the top 5% workers who will contribute 10x the value.

2018-06-11 23:13:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

in my industry we call them '10x developers'

2018-06-11 23:14:32 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

what if they help work for some of the companies that help consumers the most?

2018-06-11 23:14:38 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

and contribute some of the most to US GDP and US economy

2018-06-11 23:14:46 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

ok, why?

2018-06-11 23:15:21 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

we're arguing about race and immigration

2018-06-11 23:15:31 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

How do you know they "don't" or "won't"?

2018-06-11 23:15:55 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

The funny thing about capitlism is, when you work in the economy and follow the rules of the economy, you automatically have to submit to the rules of the value of the individual on some level

2018-06-11 23:16:29 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Yes, people develop tribes

2018-06-11 23:16:40 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

let's say we only allow skilled immigrants vobeyo

2018-06-11 23:16:45 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

there aren't enough of them to develop racial tribes

2018-06-11 23:17:06 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

enough skilled immigrants? no way

2018-06-11 23:17:09 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

let's say there are only them

2018-06-11 23:17:14 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

I'm posing an argument

2018-06-11 23:17:20 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

I'm trying to paint a world where you would agree with some immigration lol

2018-06-11 23:17:43 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

he's saying shouldn't be

2018-06-11 23:18:00 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

even in the case where they are skilled immigrant visas (approximating that definition to top 5% workers in any industry)

2018-06-11 23:19:34 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

yes they are almost an ethnostate

2018-06-11 23:19:46 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

How do you think japan can get over its demographic issues in 30 years?

2018-06-11 23:20:03 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

When the ratio of old:young people is almost unbearable

2018-06-11 23:20:13 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

people able to work and contribute versus consumers

2018-06-11 23:20:17 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

because they don't have children

2018-06-11 23:22:44 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

he's using race realism to justify all of it

2018-06-11 23:22:47 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

which makes sense, in a way

2018-06-11 23:22:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

and also the argument for monoculture societies makes sense

2018-06-11 23:23:20 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

But is monoculture about race, or is it about ideas?

2018-06-11 23:23:33 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

I think a country has to be a monoculture in a sense to succeed

2018-06-11 23:24:13 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

monoculture = shared values that don't change. Can a human of any race adopt the same values?

2018-06-11 23:24:15 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Obviously, yes

2018-06-11 23:24:49 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

he's using average IQ to justify all of this

2018-06-11 23:24:51 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

there is no other argument

2018-06-11 23:24:55 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

however average IQ isn't enough to go this far

2018-06-11 23:25:06 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

An IQ number is *something* and it matters

2018-06-11 23:25:18 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

however it does not predicate that a human of a different race cannot adopt shared values

2018-06-11 23:26:31 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

vobeyo, the only part of your argument that is inherent is average IQ across races. Which, yes, is (on average) lower in blacks. And IQ is 80% genetic as far as we know.

2018-06-11 23:26:38 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Parenting, culture change.

2018-06-11 23:26:42 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Do you agree with that?

2018-06-11 23:26:48 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

My statement about your argument

2018-06-11 23:27:18 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

I said *inherent* part of your argument

2018-06-11 23:27:23 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

since you're arguing about inherent value in humans

2018-06-11 23:27:26 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

ideas can change

2018-06-11 23:27:29 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

parenting can change

2018-06-11 23:28:11 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

what is the "ability to form successful societies/cultures" made up of?

2018-06-11 23:28:15 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

That is a very high level idea

2018-06-11 23:28:16 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

break it down please

2018-06-11 23:29:33 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

random mutations are random and won't become part of the dominant race without intense eugenic breeding horizon

2018-06-11 23:29:39 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

that is too unlikely to even argue

2018-06-11 23:31:14 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

@Roman Dmowski let's assume 'ability to create an advanced culture' is based upon IQ. Do you think that could be accurate?

2018-06-11 23:31:29 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

ok

2018-06-11 23:31:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

how do you explain the mass of white people with IQ below 100 who have adopted the values of western culture that were invented by great philosophers?

2018-06-11 23:31:58 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

I'm trying to get to the point

2018-06-11 23:32:09 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

that lower IQ people can still adopt a culture, intelligence of their own aside

2018-06-11 23:33:00 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

@Deleted User in english are you trying to say that people adapt to/adopt the culture that is the majority around them?

2018-06-11 23:33:36 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  
2018-06-11 23:34:40 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

@Lucifer said it

2018-06-11 23:34:53 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Any individual human will act according to ideas they adopt

2018-06-11 23:35:00 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

An individual human of any race is not hardcoded with these ideas

2018-06-11 23:35:34 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

And you could take a human of every major racial group with the same IQ and give them the same ideas, and maybe you would have similar outcomes

2018-06-11 23:35:43 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

I'm sticking on IQ because according to psych it's one of the best predictors of life success we have

2018-06-11 23:35:48 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

@Deleted User reading your point

2018-06-11 23:36:15 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Ah I see @Deleted User

2018-06-11 23:36:35 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Any individual in a group is held up by the average of that group

2018-06-11 23:36:41 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Is your point

2018-06-11 23:37:34 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Kind of my point too, really, any individual in a group adopts the ideas of that group

2018-06-11 23:37:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

And what if the correct classification for a group is not race but shared cultural ideas

2018-06-11 23:38:27 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

And heck deviation from the mean is very likely correlated with IQ again

2018-06-11 23:39:19 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

True enough

2018-06-11 23:39:25 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

Sounds true, anyway

2018-06-11 23:39:49 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

what culture is still around today really lol

2018-06-11 23:39:52 UTC [The Right Cafe #qotd]  

it's all changed so much

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