it's a superior mirage

```Passing through the temperature inversion, the light rays are bent down, and so the image appears above the true object, hence the name superior```

not necessarily

woah, that's extreme! I like it tbh

this still only shows ships being shown *above* the horizon due to the mirage, not below

Please don't change the subject

We're discussing the ship

not the sun

Oh? Can I have a diagram please, Mike? It helps me understand

?

is that supposed to be animated?

it's just a still image for me

I just want a diagram to explain the path of the light, and how atmospheric refraction affects it

which one?

which video tho

which video has an explanation of light being refracted by the atmosphere to show a ship below the horizon?

this is not an attack, I'm just curious, but do you guys know how refraction works?

That's not what I asked

Yeah, of course

Do you guys know how refraction in general works tho

quite the opposite

Ah, well the education system here in Australia is different

So do you understand refraction or not, Kevin?

rude, Nat :(

Mike

you're not helping

Okay, good

Refraction is the bending of light, but how? what bends it?

That's what Mike is doing lmao, no offence Mike

Oh

Uhhh

not really?

Well, yes

but less you can see != refraction

But how does refraction work?

what is it in the water vapor

that makes it refract?

Yeah

Oh dear

Refraction != reflection

https://cdn.thinglink.me/api/image/751825221471698944/1240/10/scaletowidth

Ehhh... kind of, but only in a very basic sense.

Refraction is the bending of light (or other electromagnetic wave) as it travels through a medium of a different density.

Mhm

no, not yet it doesn't

I just want to get to the bottom of refraction

I'm talking about refraction rn

please, I don't want to seem cross or angry

Oh?

I've learned things here

I hope you have too

I suspect you don't fully understand refraction though

and that's okay!

Refraction is a big player in the debate, so if you know how it works properly, then debating will be easier

oh, yes, perfect!

It's the density of the medium that makes light refract differently

eg light traveling from air into glass

closer to the sea, the pressure (density) of the air is higher

I don't care

I'm talking refraction still

if you're using that as an actual argument, I don't know what to say

`from aéro- ‘air’ + Greek -planos ‘wandering’.`

Atmospheric refraction only makes things seem higher than they are, not lower.

slow down a little.

You're avoiding refraction

You're still avoiding refraction :/

I am 100% going to address your other points

but not until we finish with refraction

I'm not saying it does, I'm waiting for you to give me evidence against "atmospheric refraction makes things appear higher, not lower" using accurate explanations of how refraction works

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a04c6df7269268394ce2348d6476bf22-c

I do

No we're not.

okay?

why is it below the horizon then?

Oh?

please explain :)

sorry, that wasn';t meant to sound rude

I'm just interested.

Going fast doesn't prove your point either

I am going slow so I fully, and truly understand

what? 😂

Of course. That's not to say you think you understand things, but you're wrong.

Hell, I could be wrong.

But speed by itself does not mean you're correct

Please, tell me how I'm wrong. I just want an explanation of atmospheric refraction producing an image like the one I posted.

that's... irrelevant right now

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a04c6df7269268394ce2348d6476bf22-c

I'm talking about this image, Citizen

Nowhere in that image does an arch cover another arch completely

proof by intimidation

I'm doing this methodically

Okay, give me a minute then

I can't read all these instantly

this doesn't explain how half of the ship is hidden

Well I can't see it, Can I please have some direction?

??

And so the water blocks it then?

How does the water in the image I posted block it then

mhm, I'm listening.

Unresolvable?