I believe in the big bang

But

I believe it was the result of quantum fluctuations in another already existing, and by that point dead, universe

And that it all had no beggining

It just always ways

I can't put it to words because I myself don't fully comprehend it

I also think that the cycle will continue until some intelligent race finds a way to revert entropy, or maybe they already have and are living somewhere in a universe that contains this one

Or it may not even be possible

Don't go there

Don't go by "there's no proof otherwise"

It'll lead you down paths that you don't wanna go down

I just believe it. Its what makes the most sense to me and my limited knowledge of how astrophysics works doesn't conflict with that opinion in any way, and I've never seen anyone deny it either

@Pinnaplia what you said doesn't prove or disprove the big bang being the result of quantum fluctuations you're just saying the big bang happened basically

Except you got the singularity part of the theory wrong

It's a rather unimportant detail in my opinion lmao

If God wants me to believe in him, he can come down to earth and show himself

Give me no proof of your existence and I won't believe in you, simple as that

Why is that

Well then he's stupid

What do you want me to tell you lol

All I know is that supposedly there's this omnibenevolent being who sends people to burn for eternity in the sky

Atheism is agnostic

Well

There are several definitions

Is it?

I thought it was not knowing

Whether there was or wasn't

Well then probably not

The definition of atheist I take to is a person who isnt convinced by a god or gods

Words mate

That's why you always gotta clarify the definitions before going into a debate

If you care about it, that is

@Credibly Charted isn't God supposedly omnibenevolent and omnipotent?

It's funny actually because that's the definition of God that can be disproven, and theres this quote I love which goes

"If God is omnibenevolent and omnipotent, then, as there is evil on earth, is he capable of stopping evil but does not do so? Then he is not omnibenevolent. And if he is willing to stop evil, but cannot, then he must not be omnipotent.
And if he is neither... Then why call him a god?"

It doesn't go exactly like that but that's the idea

@Pinnaplia you can't believe in omnipotence without believing in omniscience

Omnipotence includes omniscience

Omnipotence, by definition, means all powerful

Aka with the power to do anything

And it's impossible

I can disprove any omnipotent being you believe in with one dare

Ask that omnipotent being to create an object so heavy that he himself cannot lift it

No that's not all powerful

Very very powerful beyond our understanding isn't omnipotent

Omnipotence is very specifically the power to do all things

Your definition of God is like that of many others, by elimination

God cannot be omnipotent, so just make him very very powerful

God also can't be omnibenevolent because there's evil (not good wtf me) on the earth so... Insert whatever reason here

Aight I slightly misunderstood you

Mb fucking fuck

I wonder if the bot picks up edits

Hahahahahahaha nice

Watchmaker argument?

So you're saying it'd be omniscient

Infinitely gaining more knowledge = omniscience

@jeremy because universe

?

I lost you

Well if its omniscient it'd know happiness so... No?

Yes but that scientist guy isn't omnipotent

And yeah, that's true that we can't disprove a non omnipotent and non omnibenevolent god

Idk

You tell me

I'm not saying that this supposed create has to be omnipotent

I'm just saying a god is impossible because omnipotence is impossible

And if a being isn't omnipotent I don't think it should be called a god

Well

We can't disprove that the universe had a creator. But then what created that creator

Also there's a truckload of evidence against your standard neighborhood creationist belief

And I didn't say I could disprove that

Though I can because you can't have an infinite petri dish

Yeah

It being a dome wouldn't explain physics

So no

Wait

What

1. I was talking about the universe and AFAIK because of physics the universe has to be one of three "shapes" of infinity

Also

You can literally take a cruise to antarctica

Literally just go do it

Right now

It's there you can buy tickets

Ye you can

You'll likely die because, you know, Antarctica

But you can

Well you don't have to think so

Take a drone on your cruise

Fly out to the supposed secret military line

See nothing

Be disappointed

Come back home

Idfk

Probably not enough

Nothing is stopping you from buying a boat and a months worth of provisions, and a tent, and risking your life

Though

^

Literally just go there

Lmao

And Where's the ships