lol fair enough

okay

Well I guess I'll take issue with the idea that you must fit a group perfectly to bit part of the group. The experience of a group as broad as woman varies amongst different races classes and etc. You'd have to deconstruct the meaning of the idea of women and tell me what specifcally about the trans woman experiences disqualifies them from this group.

Yes but you are a minority population

and your experiences are closer to there's than the average white persons

you can have some degree of solidarity with any woman

Also we're erecting the categories artificlly in the first place

Again your acting like the average experience of black man is universal

They'll all be different for a number of factors

I had an african freind in high school and he'd always hang around us indian kids becayse he identifed with ys more

I mean it's a universal experience

but not all experiences are universal

Yes but now we're defining categories with arbitrary cut offs

and you can talk about averages but trans people are a very small minority

even less identify as female

as a woman i mean sorry

It would vary greatly on the population you find them in

Im america sure

but if you look at african immigrants in america

they are one of the most sucesfull group

there graduate education rate is insane

your creating these categories now.

And these cut offs.

It's like 10%hold a phd that's impressive for any demographic in america

But your arguemtn is trans people can't idenitfy as women cause they don't have the same set of experiences?

lol send me a message slouch

i appreciate this chat ll

Again not true

It's societal.

There are a lot of things that trans people go through.

Idk being told your idntiy is wrong is an issue

have you been to high school?

Kids are the worst

they'll bully you for anything

you really think they'd go easy on a trans kid>

?

I'm 22

Yes they do.

It depends where also

I went to a conservative area

and they went so hard on this kid who came out of the closet

We can't argue from annedote though

all I know is studies show that transgenders who transition have better mental health than those who don't.

And for my concern, that's the most important issue.

Well here's the thing.

You can't prove it's because of a biolgical or social class without chaninging the second varaible

and damn that's hard to do.

Why is the sucide rate so high?

For simmilar reasons to that of transgenders who don't transition

I dpn

I haven't read studies on that one

they're a book called transgednerism and the brain i reccomend reading

Frido i;ll agree with you on that

but the issue is society doesn't view these things in that way.

ANd for some people body dismprphia is the issue.

You know ill agree with you that gender roles need be deconstructed

and if women and men felt like they could do as they please we'd have no issue

but some men find they identify as women

and.

oh go

god

It could be you feel like you idenitfy more with the social identity of a woman

How does it hut people?

and some do btw

They'll bring it up yes

they're experience as a woman will be different from other woman

but these categroies are arbitrary at best and what one choses to identify as is not really that big of an issue

if it helps them, if it's what they want to do, why stop them?

Gender is a social construct at best.

And some men do posses feminized brains.

Okay, but what about men with feminizied brains?

Or vice versa/

Why can't they identify as a woman?

I'm sorry who has there mike on?

Why does it matter/

If they want to, go for it

why play video games?

Or drink alchol?

Or study

or live.

Are you advocaing for removing these things?

Okay well....I think we're getting into more philsophical disagreements there

Some people do things for fun.

Some people do things to feel like they have an idenity.

Eh

I'd have to disagree.

Ooof my brain is a bit fried from the lab forgive me

It makes you feel like you belongg better.

And yes it has no ecomomic benefit

but personal welness i take to be a benefit in and of itslef

itself

Wellness

GO ahead I don't care.

Well maybe if you do that you may have some issues

but again, men can have feminized brains

and with feminized brains they can still function and contribute

they can do all the things we do

Your making the comparison between transgederism and transspecisim

as if the latter is at all plausible

Maybe some people are willing to take that risk.