I bet hunter Biden tastes like underage kids, you are what you eat

Can we just relocate all the cities to one state and then make them they’re own country

Why the hell are cities blue btw? Seriously. It does no good for them either

Like what makes people vote blue in cities

But why

Why is that so

I’m not asking what is, but why

No why are cities blue/more government

I think it’s funny that cities are built on the backs of red policy only to be obliterated by blue policy later

it's funny though, I am an atheist, but I am 100% conservative. And I see the online atheist community and 90% of them are brainwashed TDS people

I mean we got sargon of akkad atleast

Like all of the "atheist community of austin" people are like, insane to some degree. They go on their shows and shout about how trump is a racist bigot and all that, and they hate religious people for some reason

Oh I know

Dude I don't know

They think that christians are prosecuting them for some reason

Seriously dude they go on these shows and spout about how "christians cause so much suffering and hate athiests so much" it' actual insanity

Yeah dude its like most of the internet atheist population I swear

It's funny though because I dont feel persecuted at all and am an atheist. I generally agree with christians more than I do non christians, sadly.

Most of my friends are also atheists, and 90% of them seem brainwashed

They scream about "the christians are brainwashing their children" and then they themselves can't even entertain conservative viewpoints and just block it out smh

Well it was like, I went through an enlightenment of my own this year lol

I was a libtard last year

I realized that the media was being so awful to trump/conservatives, and I looked into why, felt it was way too hateful. Then I started to see all of the 'atheist community of austin's,' shows differently

Like, I logically am unable to accept the idea of a god, but at the same time, I see that the ACA community is so blind to so many problems I can't even

Like, they are all moral relativists

Carl Benjamin (Sargon of Akkad) used to be as bad, but he has gone through a conservative enlightenment too

I am an atheist because of the literal definition of the word, but I again have experienced that most atheists seem to be floundering about, angry and lost

I think most of the atheist community has lost the plot

Huh I almost wonder if Atheists have created their own stigma by being assholes all the time. unfortunate for people like me

Yeah Jordan peterson is saving a lot of atheists from insanity

"Christian atheists," a lot of his followers call themselves

I like peterson a lot

Well I think a lot of atheists lack a base in morality, not because they lack a belief in god, but because the community actively deconstructs morality. They make everything relative, when I think it's obvious that certain things are bad and certain things are good. People like me have had the realization that some things cause suffering and are not okay.

Like, abortion. They talk about how 'it can't think therefore..." no dude it's a living being

Like I feel that I can logically break down most issues that the ACA community talks about, and explain why their positions are harmful and wrong, and I never even need to mention god

I disagree. I find morality is required for any herd based animal to exist long-term

I think the bible is a fantastic way to explain morality though

this is where me and other atheists disagree

Well, from my perspective, morality, things being wrong, are wrong because biology necessitates it to be. We are built as moral creatures for our own survival. Where it comes from doesn't change whether it exists or not. I don't meant to/want to argue I just want you to understand my postion. HOWEVER: Other atheist tend to have this viewpoint of the bible being some indoctrinating propaganda piece, but I'm more in line with Jordan Peterson and it being a beautiful way to outline and describe morality through stories/such

But again for me the religious issue is rather pointless, I think christianity is important to our society and I do not want to live in a world without them

so I try not to argue with them

Trump does

lol he bringing peace

No, my worldview is materialistic, sure, but it is not utilitarian. I am struggling to explain this without using an example, so here I go, For example, the Bible supports monogamy right? I agree monogamy is a great thing, and that is objective. However, the disagreement comes when I find that it is very easy to explain why monogamy is a good thing without using the bible. People tend to be happier and function better in family units where they are able to support/love each other without jealousy etc. . .

Well utilitarianism lends itself to awful things like, lockdowns, treating people as spreadsheet numbers and such. I think the basic definition is "if it benefits the majority it's right," is far from my full position

Like, I don't assert that at all. I was just pointing out that observing reality, monogomy works best for most people

Well I don't hold utility as the highest ethic at all

I.e covid lockdowns. that treats people as spreadsheets numbers to try and 'save lives,' right? Well those people can't see the mental harm and trampling of rights that they have.

Oh yeah I understand that is how you process it and that's totally fine. Like I said, you guys are usually way more on target than my

'brethren' heh

Oh I think it's stimulating, but again I think the discussion is less important than it seems sometimes? idk.

lol

Yeah abortion. love that topic. I am pro life

I am a pro-life atheist.

lol

Aight I will also go over what like the ACA tends to think and how I differ with them as well

The ACA members tend to hold the position that 'life' is not really sacred, that it's consciousness that matters, which is their reason they are so pro-'choice'

But in my opinion, life is important. If you want to use the atheist's typical standpoint of consciousness, you are effectively stomping out a life before it has a chance to become conscious and aware. ... I'm speaking fractured

There's this thing called the "Veil of Ignorance," where to discover objective morality from a non-religious standpoint, you simply view the world from a theoretical standpoint of "What kind of world would I want to create, so there is no way I could get screwed over if I were randomly born in a random body today," So, simply put, I don't want to get aborted, abortion is wrong.

Yeah if you saw a bird throwing it's eggs to the ground you would be very concerned for the bird's mental health

Also in countries that have fully legalized abortion, people tend to abort women more than men which causes population disparities and a lot of suffering in the end too. Heard that one from Lauren Chen's show

That is one of the most important reasons yes. I think everyone has the right to choose to live, and babies can not make that choice so we should protect them. The veil of ignorance is just how you 'discover' that from my perspective, but it isn't meant to be that selfish.

you must not be from the south

If you drink unsweetened tea you are most likely a soviet

I've been trying to write a comedic satire song called "abort every baby" but I haven't been successful yet

Through an exercise of the veil of ignorance, I feel I have discovered everyone has the right to live, at least at the beginning.

I think reducing it to "because I have a right o life," is mostly true, but missing part of the point if that makes sense

Aight this might sound weird but I'm just speaking as words enter my big green brain. From my perspective, there is no who. It is a necessity to the survival and prosperity of any communal species to have good inclinations. Without such inclinations, humanity would not have prospered as well as it has, and we wouldn't see society as it is today. So for example, murder is wrong, not because someone told me that it is, but because it is a necessary part of the human condition. I find that atheists who don't see certain things as wrong, have usually, intentionally broken their moral compass if that makes sense.

And there are a lot of ways to break your moral compass. It's why christians tend to be so strong morally, because they have a wall to protect their morality from breaking down

With a lack in a belief in god you have to protect yourself from moral deterioration I guess is how I see it

I mean to say, 'wrong' is a necessary human construct instilled in us because it has to be so for us to have come this far. That's just my perspective, again not trying to argue but you seem to be interested.

yes very much so

literally destroying your future lol

Morality is a necessary part of any communal species' condition to survive, I guess is the best way to summarize it

No I think I mis-spoke or you mis-understand (not sure which)? Things are wrong. Wrong is wrong, good is good. Our difference is where that comes from. From your world-view, it's god. From my world-view, it's a necessary part of any communal species in order to survive and thrive. Morality is an evolutionary necessity is my point. (AGAIN I'd hate to sound like I'm arguing I'm just explaining.)

I would like to reassert I find way more in common with christians than like the ACA types

I have not denied objective morality exists.

This

Again, there was nothing there that denied objective morality. the only difference we have in thought is where objective morality seems to appear from.

Carl Benjamin is a really popular political commentator that is an atheist, and he has also conceded the point that atheists like himself (and I) really ought to align ourselves with christians because we agree on almost every single point.

that might not end well

I must admit that I don't

So this is where I'm at a point that I don't feel comfortable discussing this in a general chat, not because I am not up for it, but I don't want to be put in a bin with 'those atheists,' that just argue because they are ideological militants. I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of how I view the world though and I'd be happy to talk more in dms.

depending on where it takes place that may also end badly

Well again I feel like my points have been mischaracterized to some extent (not saying you did it on purpose you seem really cool) just I generally dislike being that

I also didn't mean to sound like I was calling for a debate. I simply think I have failed to explain my points and they would need to be laid out in a different fashion to be understood properly

My best friend is a mormon and we've had a lot of verrrry long discussions on where we come from. . .

lol

I am of the belief that Islam needs reform

Yeah our basis of where our conclusions are drawn from are fundamentally different, which makes it hard for two people to talk of such things sometimes. Like, I've had plenty of time/friends that are deeply religious, and we have had discussions (not debates) to understand each other better. And I think I generally understand where the religion worldview comes from, and find it interesting. Again, another reason why I think 'debating' creation is rather pointless.

It depends on what type of atheist you are talking about. For example, some atheists pre-suppose that a god can not exist, which yes, requires faith, but some atheists (like me) take the position that they are simply unconvinced that creation is a thing, which lacks faith in anything. That being said, that doesn't make my position any more correct than yours so it's again, a pointless rabbit hole imo

I think nihilism is the rejection of all moral principles, which I do not believe.

I believe morals are real and objective

Moral relativists cause a lot of damage, I'd say

Depends on how you define faith I think,

As soon as I get the money I will happily read it, I like philosophical texts.

I have been meaning to read the bible, the quran, and a bunch of other religious texts for so long but I still haven't had the time

Some people define faith as "A belief without evidence," and others define faith as, "A strongly held conviction in something."

There is definitely evidence for the big bang and evolution, again, that doesn't make it true, because evidence is not proof. But by definition, I don't think believe I have faith in either such concepts. But again, neither are the reason for my atheism.

My friend who is LDS dislikes being called a mormon