not familiar with the latter

I agree Charlton is very insightful

I don't think there is a topic I can disagree with him on beyond literal mormon theology

It's funny, he has a wide sphere of interests

and somehow they tend to converge anyway

uncanny

spin bowling in cricket?

lord of the rings cartoons?

migraine headaches?

PC is satan is a big one too, you should get on that

What makes people become people that stop seeing it like the whole of humanity saw it

and value diversity?

While things are changing, even now, most non-white people have a common sense approach to diversity

non-western people

sorry

it is, no doubt

for now

their elite intellectual classes are just as prone

and follow the lead of the west

change by forcible pressure to change you mean

i.e. with consequence

I think the west would happily suicide

and the world with it

I don't mean coercion

I mean being forced by circumstance

not Nazism

not forced by a changed of heart/mind

I think misery will prove to be rather persistent

Has there, to date, been any evidence of such introspection and change in direction?

I really don't think so, it seems more like people are doubling down

and there is a growing voice of reaction to that

leftists

i.e. normal people

by proxy

not elite leftists, your ordinary person who pretty much has liberal views

yeah, they are, but I think it will fail at this rate

I certainly hope it doesn't

I think it's a reaction that doesn't have real principles to stand on

their principles will eventually reduce to leftism

its a bump in the road

the alt right right now will start to bite at itself

and separate somewhat

similar to the left, it needs that impetus

that enemy

even though the enemy is actually real in this case, whereas its mostly imagined for the leftists

but that gives them more power

cause they can keep going no matter what, there is always an enemy

not so the alt right

Leftism is more than politics

and so is the alt right

so that categorization does actually make things clear in their terms

I agree that it needs direction

you know I don't think it did, but under the umbrella is people who did

the mass of people that support say

Brexit or Trump

They are still essentially leftist in their point of view and approach to the world

That has not changed, and Trump is their candidate, not the alt rights

He is still just a civic nationalist kind of figure

Yeah, a reaction

I agree

Yeah, but direction is required

for the masses

idealism

Ultimately at least

maybe for now, pragmatism is the uh

pragmatic course

You cant move people with nationalism

It doesn't work

It is a relatively feeble tie to bind

To a degree

More than say, sports team

Nationalism I think, shows promise only for a few generations

inevitably, prosperity and comfort, new generations, new points of view

bring fractures quickly

how do you make the nation take the place of say, God?

Even if it ultimate principle isn't God

I think you have to, to make nationalism a binding force in and of itself

How do you solve the God problem basically

As far as I am concerned, there is no more powerful motivation

Right from day to day life, down to civilizations

Sure

I'm not saying anything has to exist for this

I do, I don't agree I think

The catholic church is corrupt due to distance from god

all else is secondary

That's retarded though, normal people don't think like that

That isn't the reality of faith

They don't either, sure, which is a problem

The ruler can be the intermediary of the divine

or a manifestation of the divine

Religion is a phenomenon as human as language

in our bones

That's where you have to start

All other relations must be understood in light of that

There is good evidence that religion itself led to human society in the first place

Yeah, sure

hey @diversity_is_racism this website seems like culture war issues

I'm reading a post about cancelling Netflix subscriptions

should I be looking somewhere in particular

You eat shit for free huh