ok

"To conquer a nation, first disarm its citizens." - Adolf Hitler

they make a difference

all it takes is a small group of dedicated individuals

until the man with a sword cuts your pen up, then cuts you up

rule 5, using ad hom

second of all

the sword is stronger

I know what it means

the pen itself wont do anything

it relies on a man with a sword to enact what the pen writes

no, what enforces what the pen dictates

nothing

the government itself would mean nothing if they had no police force or military to enforce what their pens dictate

its only because they have swords that their will is enacted

as I said

the pen can do nothing on its own

it relies on a man with a sword to enact its dictations

a man with a sword can enact his own dictations

a man with a pen relies on others to do it for him

that is, if the man with a pen has men with guns to enact his will

the pen on its own is useless

an engine without fuel is useless

a gun without ammunition can not fire

a pen without anyone to enact its will

is just as meaningless

at least the man with a sword can enact what it wants

a man with a sword is his own self contained system

he is his own pen

his actions are his pen

give examples were someone writing something, but not taking action lead to change

ok, so lets dive into the metaphysical meanings of the pen and the sword

the pen is thought, the pen represents ideas one might have

the sword represents action

without action, your thoughts mean nothing

well lets assume it does, all action results in harm to another

one cannot do anything to help a group, without harming another

no, but it harms the other man who didnt get those peanuts

you inflicted suffering (no matter how minor and irrelevant it is) in order for you to get what you want

those who work to maintain the system

they suffer for others to gain

ok think of it like this

there are two people

both want something

who gets it

for one to get it, one must lose out

no, one must lose out

how can both get it

how both gain when there is only one

***F O I D***

the worst part is that penny doesnt understand what im trying to say

>voting

no, the sword is mightier 🙂

no I understand you, your just wrong

@ComradeChaos but that relies on someone caring about the words

and that man needs a sword for those words to mean anything

@pennypal men with swords

men who can actually do something

so you are not a man of action

instead of doing something, you think about it

lets start at the beginning

do you agree that a thought means nothing if you dont act it out?

no

this is for you too

@ComradeChaos @pennypal

do you agree that a thought means nothing if you dont act it out?

we need to get a framework going so you understand what I am saying

philosophy is gay

tell me straight off

do you agree that a thought means nothing if you dont act it out?

thats what I am asking

@pennypal answer the question

does a thought on its own mean anything

so why is the pen superior then

the pen is meaningless thought

wyh

the thought means nothing if it does not enter the real world

it effects nothing

no, what you just said is a bunch of fancy words that mean nothing

its not what I am asking

being verbose does not work

the separation between your thoughts and actions is not an illusion

not what I am talking about

as I said

fancy words mean nothing, I know what they mean

both of you are not saying anything related to what I am talking about

how can a thought on its own be more meaningful than an action

the action is what brings the thought into the real world

without the action it barely exists

you are the epitome of useless philosophy

your arguments mean nothing

just cut the pen with your sword

ez

bad = thinking the pen is best

violence makes the world go round

violence is what give thoughts and ideas any sway

man is fallen now that he puts thoughts above action

so are you a 4th dimensional being that can will things into existence?

no?

oh, so you rely on action to make things happen