So what do you guys think about the idea that biological sex is a social construction?

What argument is that?

Animals don't have genders.

Nope. There is a difference between sex and gender. Animals aren't socially developed enough to have genders.

Lol yeah

Well how do you identify the biological sex of a person? What do you look for?

Okay so XY means they are a male... no exceptions? or?

Okay so if you have a catagorization schema, and there are exceptions, what does that say about your schema?

Well if this catagorization schema can only describe and properly catagorize say, 98.5% of people. If there were a schema that could describe and catagorize more people, that would be better yes?

@VicariousJambi So then you have 3 sexes in your schema? thats interesting. And you don't think that that is socially constructed?

Or is "fuck up" not a sex.

You're presumeing what we're arguing about NinjaLuigi.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/ What about this? A woman with XY chromosomes with a vagina and gave birth to kids and what nots.

Evidence?

That biological sex is a social construction.

Well it's a catagorization schema. It doesnt exist in reality, only in the minds of people.

There are individuals in reality, and these catagories don't exist in reality. They were made to try to make sense of the reality around us.

I'm not liberal. I'm an individualist and a nihilist. I'm right wing.

Nope I always go by Tundra.

How do I like you silencing me because you don't agree with my position? Meh. I think it's funny.

Sounds like you just dont want to debate the question, would rather dismiss scholarly work as "science gibberish"

Endocrinology is medicine...

Also can you explain how someone could have a sex change and lie about it, have their DNA be XY but give birth?

Because you said "I think she just got a sex change and lied"

how would that work genius?

It's a peer reviewed medical journal.

It's not a study it's a case study.

It's documenting a person who had XY chromosomes but gave birth.

You're just asserting it's not possible...

But you have literally no evidence.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

So are you guys going to let me back into the serious chat or what?

weird how permissions changed after you didnt like what I was saying.

You don't seem very serious, you seem to just dismiss ideas taht aren't your own.

so then there are three sexes rageamp?

It's actually not statistically irrelevent and you insisting that it is doesn't make it so.

There are millions of people in the united states who are atypical with regard to some aspect of these ideas about what it means to be male or female.

I've given you peer reviewed research before, and you literally just said it was fake science.

Why would I bother?

What does "statistically relevent" actually mean?

Well you two seem to disagree. Is sex about dicks or is it about chromosomes?

Is it? then why do people's brain structures develop in accordance to hormone baths in the womb?

I mean if it's ONLY genetics. right

Why is the brain, which is a sexed organ, sexed as a result of something other than genetics?

Are you incapable of nuance?

Word salad?

Maybe you're just illiterate.

I haven't made any arguments from feelings.

No I'm not. The brain is a sexed organ. Is that false?

an organ that differs between what we would describe as females, and what we would describe as males.

In physical structures

You're so fucking dumb dude. Holy shit.

Do you think men and women have no differences in their brains? Yes or no.

Yes or no guys.

Just answer the question please.

@VicariousJambi I could but last time you just accused it of being "fake science"

This chat is moving to fast to address every single one of you guys

Lol what a misinterpretation.

Hormone baths in the womb determine some brain structures as they develop. Not genetics.

From the parent.

Biology doesn't have intentions.

The parent has organs which produces hormones in different degrees.

Okay and what of the case of XY women who give birth Heatbeat?

No someone said that all your sexed organs are determined solely on genetics, which is false.

Ok so then sex isn't about chromosomes it's about reproductive capability?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

Blackman you're not even keeping yourself consistent.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/ you're ignoring this.

Facts which dont align with your view.

Heatbeat click the link .

She literally gave birth Ninja...

Wrong black man

To understand my position you need to have a certain degree of nuance, that can't be had in a fast moving channel with this many people in it.

If it's just chromosomes, then how do you account for people like the woman I linked.

It's a simple concept prima facie but the more you dig into it the more complicated it gets.

It literally does not say that blackman

Yeah .6% of the cells of a sample of one body part are xxy

therefore all of her is xxy

hurdur

What are all those other things around it... Hmmm

xy xy x xy x xx

Hmmmmm

Geeee

92.9% of her gonads were xy

92.9% of the gonads were xy

Yeah which is why it's PART and not the entire WHOLE of my argument.

Gee boy fucking howdy

Heat beat as I said earlier, there is a lot of nunance to take into account.

.6%

Ninja you literally just deny flat out science that doesn't support your conclusions.

"must be fake liberal science hurdur"

This isn't social science it's medical science

It's an endocrinology journal...

Nah

I'm right all you people do is misunderstand and shout "HOTDOG HAMBURGER ITS THAT SIMPLE"

Thats a strawman Heatbeat.

It's fine.

Does anyone here want to have an actual serious discussion on the issue? We can move to a slower channel.

I was in serious chat but then they prevented me from speaking in there.

convenient that my access changed after you called a mod to get me out because you didnt like what I was saying.