Sargons is a bit more challenging

Somehow, i've ended up with 2 sargon discords. I dont know which one is the legit one

lol

Bam!

That's not really a reason against Brexit. That's a reason against regressive politicians.

At least with Brexit, there's just one government screwing things up. Without Brexit, the EU and Germany can bring their incompetence to bear as well.

So by extension, Brexit means UK is reducing incompetence by 2/3.

They likely will. Most western countries are...

If you've ever had a DNA test, for any reason, it's almost certain they have your biometrics.

Case in point is having to identify yourself to watch porn in the UK.

The other, more concerning issue is there is no way that data is *not* going to get misused, stolen and exploited.

You're not the bost of me, Mee6.... <clicks link>

Oh i can't stay mad at you...

I wish teespring didnt charge me more for the shipping than it does for the shirt.

whoops. Fixed that.

`"Damnit, why is my massive database of 25million citizens not being hacked yet!"`

If the Australian Census taught us anything, it's that the government shouldn't be responsible for protecting anything big-data related.

Is it?

I don't agree it is.

Sorry, no i mean I don't agree thats a fundamental job of the government...

The DNA record they collect is assigned to a number. Your Social Sec number.

Along with a metrick fuck-tonne of other metadata

It may be something they do, but I don't agree its a responsibility of the government..

A government's job is to protect its border, and defend citizens rights to property.

That's fundamentally it

Everything else is scope creep.

And i am coming from a position where I am okay with government delivering critical services like energy, health care and infrastructure... But i don't think the government should be unilaterally tracking its citizens.

what good can come from that?

I'm not saying the government doesn't need to have a record of its citizens. But i do think they don't need biometrics

biometrics just allows them to track citizens more easily

I don't think tracking citizens should be somethign that can be done easily

it should be hard, and expensive

Biometrics includes facial recognition data.

DNA is but one element of biometrics

I have a friend who works for a multinational that sells facial recognition tech to government. They are throwing millions at this tech...

They want it everywhere.

It's not enough to say that "I haven't done anything wrong, so i have nothign to fear...", knowing you are under constant surveillance can heavily influence behaviour of people who haven't done anything wrong.

All that's required to do facial recognition is a photo.

I'm not sure that's true any more

Citation required

^ thats probably true

but that doesn't justify mass surveillance.

The company my mate works for, the system they deploy has >98% accuracy.

with 1 photo as a source

Granted, people have been matching faces for thousands of years, and are hard wired to do it...

A significant portion of the brain is dedicated to it

That doesn't make the risks of biometric tracking any less concerning

Why would the government keeping your data discourage identity theft?

sup

The government demanding?

Who's 'Omega', and why are you Killing him?

When a govvernment entity verifys you... What do they ask for?

Your name, Your Address, Your birthday

Once they have that info... they have ALL of your metadata

Those elements are trivial to find

There is a balance to be struck, for sure..

But i don't think giving the government access to ALL metadata is a balance.

The balance isn't reasonable. Not any more

Mostly because the vast majority of people don't understand just how much data is being collected on them

If they actually understood the scope of the machine at work, they would be horrified.

I didn't say they shouldn't have "some" data.. I just think they currently have too much.. And we certainly shouldn't be volunteering more.

The government doesn't need more metadata to determine that.

Your income statement is enough to calculate that.

Nerd creds confirmed

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`Is it paranoia if they really are out to get you?`

I'm not necessarily in favour of that sort of welfare

i support a safety net

There is the debate over security vs freedom... I don;t necessarily agree that its a zero sum game

@Arch-Fiend that's not true any more.. Ive watched facial recognition systems track 30 people across an open square, and identify each of the people in the scene in real time, and the face doesn't even need to be facing the camera.

the tech is both amazing, and terrifying

both

That's partially true

your fingerprint isn't stored on your phone

The hash of your fingerprint is..

It's non-reversible.

Yes, you do.

I wonder what he other one is...

It's a fundamental part of cryptography

Non-reversibility

You can generate the hash from the fingerprint, but you cant generate the fingerprint fromt he hash

Oh neither do i. Fortunately the math behind it doesn't lie

That what makes cryptology such an important asset to protect

I'm certainly no expert in the math.. thats for sure.

Lack of trust?

Have you considered a career in Cybersecurity?

😃

Ah

cool

ditching the old one then

Yep.. Thats my point

The tech can so easily be used nefariously

Governments gotta government...

They managed to solve crimes before mass surveillance...

mass surveillance just makes it industrial.

If it's better for 100 guilty people to go free less 1 innocent go to jail... Surely the same should apply to privacy?

^ the evidence suggests that isnt the case

most murders are crimes of passion, not premeditated.

True; mass murders are generally premeditated...

but usually, they want noteriety.. they are looking for the fame..