I mean the engines weren't too far off from racing engines at the time in a lot of cases.

Why didn't you answer any of the motorsports questions?

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He asked who your favorite F1 driver is.

I didn't see him say anything that crazy.

Well that is really limiting.

I mean I can't feasibly operate any type of plane daily, but I love planes when it comes to engineering.

I mean most planes are operated daily.

Well if you had to list 5 reasons you like cars what would they be?

My favorite current driver is still Alonso but the poor performance of the McLaren cars makes him far from the best to watch right now.

For watching currently definitely Ricciardo.

Yeah those are good reasons.

I mean like any type of great engineering they're an example of something that used just exist in people's minds made into reality.

Also they have endless variety, there are cars to represent all sorts of different cultures and individuals within those cultures.

Making good noises is definitely good too.

Being a combination of art and practical engineering.

What is your favorite engine of all time?

Ok so you don't understand motorsports.

Also, you've said said you think the internal combustion engine is the world's greatest invention, well the world's greatest internal combustion engines don't exist in cars at all, but when it does come to cars, they certainly don't exist in road cars. Yet you actually have no interest at all in the best automotive engines?

Also a "tiny arena of cars" is entirely responsible for the progress cars have made up to this point in all areas of performance.

Construction, materials, electronics, software, engine design, brake design, aerodynamics, safety.

F1 cars are far ahead of road cars in all of those areas.

I mean they have, for decades.

Most safety related features in all modern cars were in racing first.

If you don't wanna use a car with any of the practical features that have been applied from racing you're gonna have to drive a car from 120 years ago.

Yeah, racing has been tied to automotive development pretty much since the first cars.

That doesn't make sense.

You've got three people telling you that what cars are now is a result of racing technology.

Yeah, racing series with spec cars are much more about variables in driver performance.

Ok, but what specific things are you talking about?

It has filtered down since the 1890s

Freevalve isn't used in any racing series

Freevalve is a Koenigsegg branded technology that will first be applied in economy cars.

But so far has seen no real world application.

I'm talking about the fact that we have things like ABS and traction control, carbon ceramic brakes and electronic diffs that all came directly from racing

Not to mention basically everything related to construction

Well it actually doesn't sound like you're super into internal combustion engines if none of the ones used in any form of motorsport are interesting to you.

I mean what you said is basically you don't care about innovation at all in so many words unless you can buy it personally.

No, that's not what I said.

You said you think it's the best invention, but you aren't interested in the pinnacle of it at all.

Basically that's like saying you think the burger is the best food invention, but you don't want to ever eat a really good one.

Or even know about it it if one is out there.

Well I asked this earlier, what is your favorite engine?

I mean I'm not making this up, you said your favorite aspect of cars is the engine.

But you're not interested in motorsports engines? So at least narrow it down, what's your favorite engine layout and why.

Ok, why is the Viper V10 your favorite?

My favorite layout is the V12, part of that is because it's inherently a balanced design and doesn't need any balancing shafts. Also one of the best sounding configurations, and also loads of historical significance in various forms in both motorsport and road cars.

Well you didn't say anything about why the Viper engine is your favorite.

Well part of the problem here is that you contradict yourself regularly.

I just want you to be straight forward about what you really think.

Or feel.

I think we already covered that.

Well honestly it's also not fun to try to talk about cars while someone is saying a bunch of shit about them that isn't accurate. No one is even asking you any questions now.

I'm just asking what your favorite type of engine is and why.

That's a pretty entry level car enthusiast question.

I could ask 200 people at a track day that and I doubt any would be offended by it.

Well you didn't even wanna answer it.

We both mentioned ours and gave reasons.

I'm not asking anything else.

@Fitzydog what's your favorite engine and why?

Well if you're gonna go down that road someone who doesn't like motorsports wouldn't be at one to begin with.

Valid answer and reason.

I mean I didn't hold a gun to your head and say that stuff.

You went out of your way to say you don't think anything that has been applied from racing so far is interesting.

I would say that's being a shit if anything.

A real spoil sport.

The original Zenvo caught fire during the Top Gear review.

My friend's stepdad used to have a tank full of black piranhas.

They were actually really skittish and get stressed easily.

They'd spend most of the time hiding in the plants.

Keeping pacu would also be really cool, basically giant piranha but they have a more varied diet, including nuts.

I assume you're talking about what he said about them in The River of Doubt

That's weird because you seem less bothered by messed up teeth on people than I am.

Yet you care if it's a fish?

I would like to see some instrumented test of the Zenvo, I will say that. But I also think that wing is like wings on a pig.

I like the swimming of an eel

I really want a Chinese company to buy out Musk and use the Telsa name to make diesel commercial trucks.

Or container ships.

That's one case where I'd fully support diesel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4RcyRYVa6U

These have been a hot topic now since they've getting old enough to import.

So far I've never seen one in person, that's really cool.

👍

-40?

I wish it were -40 here.

By the time it actually comes to market in a practical application internal combustion engines will already be banned in the EU.

Yuck

I'd say the Corvette Mako Shark concepts would be.

I've seen several of those in my neighborhood over the years.

Awesome.

How many if any survive to this day?

Yup, this is gonna be an interesting shitstorm.

See, this is why you get "picked on" in here by your own admission.

Saying stuff like this.

I mean this is just outright not true.

Unless you're actually trying to just fuck with people by saying something so ass backwards about how engines work.

Thermal efficiency is not the same thing as or equal to fuel economy.

Rotaries are a perfect example of that.

Great efficiently in that way, terrible fuel economy.

He's just saying "efficient" and applying it to fuel economy blindly.