india

has 1.3 billion people

china has 1.4 i think

usa has 350 million

european nations have 50-60 million

largers ones at least

they need to stand united

i know

that is why i think a federation at this time is not possible

hmm

what about between rural montana and new york? 😃

yes, i know there is

that is why eu should have stayed a trade union

until the time people felt a sense of belonging

in 50-100-200 years

no

not erased

europe needs to stick together

since some people on the other side of the mediteranian stick together

lets say the muslim world unites

well, enough of them unite to pose a problem

i need to repeat

that now federal europe is not a good idea

especially with these people in charge

its suicidal

@Fitzydog but i do understand economy, and a disunited europe will fall real easy

europe now can negotiate with china or usa for example as a united economic block. it can ask for better terms and have conditions. now imagine that it fully breaks apart and each country need to make its own deal with a large powerhouse

@Fitzydog well, i should then burn my master degree. thats not how it works

EU is a free market economy

explain the diffrence between a free market and centralized planned economy

EU sets the standards for all, like the USA sets the standards for the entire USA. Now, the problem with the eu is that germany has the most power, so it sets up the system to suit them the most

and that is why italy and greece are failing

france has riots

A centrally planned economy is an economic system in which the state or government makes economic decisions rather than the these being made by the interaction between consumers and businesses. Unlike a market economy — in which private citizens and business owners make production decisions — a centrally planned economy controls what is produced and the distribution and use of resources. State-owned enterprises undertake the production of goods and services

EU just sets the rules for the entire EU

those rules are shit in many cases

and suit mostly germany

most eu countries have a bloated social care system

uk has it as well

EU is regulated too much

when compared to the USA for example

trade without taxes between members and lower prices

well, in my opinion, that is what the EU should be

a common market

it was called that

before they tried political integration

no, it was not

it worked ok until the 90's

after the 90;s

they started with the political bullcrap

made the euro

and that ruined it

@Militant yes, a lot of interests were there when it was founded

we cannot blame everything on the people from the 50's

the people of europe

...

not giving out personal info to a random person on the internets

and i have basically agreed with you that all the EU needs to be is a common market with as little politics as possible

so i dont understand what the problem is

ok, forget the word common market

all the european counties need is a free trade agreement with one another

yes

ffs

forget the damned word

well @Nordhand in order to do it without import fees that drive up the price, you need a free trade agreement

thats what i said at the start, but some standards need to be kept

techical

for factories

standardization

you need to have quality control

no

but you need to have a agreement between the states that want to trade freely with one another

when you produce something on mass, it is cheaper

like with the wall sockets

they are more expensive the more types there are

you need to produce appliances differently for each market

that means 5 different designs

people hired to make them

different production lines

this is an example ofc

that in my opinion is what the eu should be doing

not bringing in 3rd worlders

well anything can lead us to tyranny

that is why eternal vigilance is the price for freedom

i agree with that statement

what is the presidency?

well for every trade deal people need to meet up somewhere

ok

they can make a skype call

at one centralized chat room

which exudes authority

which will need to be stored at a centralized location

so they could have authority

the un is also a centralization of power

of almost all the countries on the planet

you need to have a centralization of power somewhere for the society to function

a company that you work for has centralized power

ok

presidency

parliament