Social security will run out by 2030

So will Medicare

Welfare and big government in any dorm is socialist

I agree

Meaning

Building your society around one product is risky

What happens when oil prices fall, is resources leave oil and will go to more profitable ventures

By what mechanism are they preventing other sources of energy

And again we see government is the roadblock

Would you agree that a large portion of welfare recipients in America are parasites

Meaning they are able and capable of working but they don't because why bother

Most welfare recipients are non white. They aren't parasites?

Yes, that's the welfare cliff

It creates a perverse incentive to not work longer hours & avoid pay raises

If we eliminate welfare, people won't have the possibility to be parasites

Either be productive or starve. If you are a legitimate victim, then private charity can fill in. It's not moral if I'm forced to give money at the point of a gun

You don't need universal healthcare to have healthcare

Everything government currently provides was once provided by private individuals

I agree that any system is going to work better with whites

Hadrian, because we had a much poorer understanding of modern medicine, not because a lack of government. Everyone died young

Or profit

Because if you offer a magic pill that increases your lifespan 50 years, do you think people would be willing to pay you for that?

Goodnight bro, and thank you for doing your part at repopulating our race

My ideal society is a 100% white ethnostate with maximum freedom. If people want to form a socialist commune within the country, they should be able to, but the libertarian town shouldn't be forced to pay for it

Yes, and I do, through charity

Taxation and welfare is theft and violence, not charity

It's not moral if I have a gun held to my head

Jones agrees that debate is good. If mods don't want opposing viewpoints then I'll stop bringing it up.

How is it greed to want to keep the money I earned, but it's not greed to want to take it from me?

In capitalism, it's by providing services people are willing to pay me for

I'd like to reiterate I'm 100% on board with nationalism. And I'd rather live in a socialist all white country than a capitalist multi ethnic society.

The great thing about capitalism is, if you don't think what I'm offering is fair, you don't have to do business with me

I bet if a ceo did that, he would be hated by everyone in society

Who would ostracize him and refuse to offer their business with him

That only happens if there's a monopoly

And monopolies only exist when the government creates themv

Why can pharmacy companies charge $500 for one pill? Because government made it illegal for anyone else to make it

Because government stops competition from coming on the scene

Usually when wealth is inherited, it's squandered

I'm not familiar with the history of standard oil

It sounds like he found a way to produce oil more efficiently

Why shouldn't the most efficient corner the market?

That's not a monopoly

The competition wasn't efficient

Why is it the consumers fault for buying the best price available?

A monopoly only exists if it prevents competition from entering the market. Monopolies only exist because of the government

Lots of people pay more for "made in America" products. If I lived in a white ethnostate I would buy products made locally

If I lived in the 1900s and had the resources to buy land & dig for oil, how would the Rockefeller prevent that?

If it can't compete then he deserves to have a 90% market share. It's what the consumer wants

Between Apple and Samsung, they probably have 90% market share on smartphones . There are alternatives but they have this massive market share because it's what people want

Then it becomes profitable to compete again

White Americans would be mining our own oil if Obama's government didn't prevent the keystone Xl pipeline. Instead we give our money to Muslims, because government forbids otherwise

That's a modern example and issue caused because of government, not a lack of it

As you said, we are going in circles about standard oil.
1. If he is selling it less expensive than the competition, then the consumer wins
2. If all competition goes away and he jacks up the price, competition will arise again, and the consumer wins

Kombat, the state isn't a tool, no more than rape is a tool

Let me ask you guys something. Marxism is a 100% tax on your production. What is a 70% tax?

Rape is immoral

It's taking without consent

The same as the government

Demonstrate how taxation isn't theft

If nothing changes, Germany is going to become non white in one generation thanks to a massive state. No one should have that kind of power. The power to steal trillions and import your replacement.

Migrants are coming primarily for the welfare state.

Which is why they cross over countries with smaller social benefits like Poland and turkey and go to Germany, France, Sweden

Also no worries Fevs

The mudflood, lol I like that term.

The difference is. A libertarian society would tolerate a socialist commune, but a socialist society would never tolerate a libertarian commune

Lol good point. I want tolerance for freedom among white people.

1. Whites only
2. Keep your contracts
3. Don't initiate violence (self defense is okay)

Let everything else sort itself out

Hadrian, socialism makes you a parasite, you don't have to be responsible, because government will still provide for you.

You have more responsibility under capitalism, because you are the only one responsible for your self and your family

Kombat, socialism isn't Marxism, I never said that. But a 70% tax isn't far-off from a 100% tax.

In America, income tax caps at about 50%, yet that's not enough for "universal healthcare" free housing for all, etc

How much of a tax is needed to provide all this "free" stuff?

Because government is inefficient

By definition. You aren't going to care about efficiency if you're not footing the bill

"no true nationalist" fallacy?

I hope you would consider Jared Taylor a white nationalist. There's a video of him saying privatization of most or all government industries is favorable

I'm unable to find the video of Jared talking about privatization, that's unfortunate. Anyhow, I enjoyed the discussion, goys.

I think he's done more for our movement than anyone else alive.

I agree 100% with nationalism, but I can never support the violence of the welfare state and the perverse incentives it creates.

I am reading the article posted now.

Out of curiosity, would you guys prefer living in a natcap society as opposed to modern day America?

Yes

A white country with free market capitalism (aka 1950s America) okay cool

I agree on needing a new state.

I was at Shelbyville

And I've been aware and a supporter of the "movement" for about 7 years.

I am a white advocate above anything else. Which is why I said I'd rather live in a socialist white country than free market multiculturalism

We are genetic screw ups

Humans survived by being collectivists

So individualists are by definition rare

Lol thanks. I'm half Italian though so if the criteria is 100% Anglo then I fail there also

My people being whites as a whole.

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Lol even the Italians. Yes they are

White advocacy exists separate from socialism

What do you think of Donald Trump?

As opposed to (((Bernie)))

I agree. I'm disappointed in a lot of ways

I still prefer him than any of the feasible alternatives

Meaning Hillary, Bernie or any of the republican cucks that ran

Do you think Jews pick who gets to be president? Come on now. I know there is meddling and voter fraud (by democrats), but even with all of that, Trump still won