that's not the problem

the problem is that there are Kurds in Iran and Turkey

if anyone should be our ally it should be Iran

everyone hates Kurds

there's not a single nation that doesn't

oh I don't mean their current government

there is enough support for liberal reforms in Iran

I mean nations in middle east

not China

@Fitzydog > coming from a guy who want's to create Kurdistan<:thronk:441701565607444482>

ok explain to me how creating Kurdstan solves more problems than it creates

we need a second ally who cares it will destabilise every nation in the region and makes them hate us even more

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Lebanon is a thing

it's the closest thing you can get to a christian nation

let's just fuck over Turkey and Iran because lmao fuck them

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yea

that's the closest thing

you can't really get a christian nation in middle east

because there aren't any

not a good ally sure

but I doupt a communists will be better

most nations in NATO are shit allies

Turkey at least has an army

@Fitzydog this to be honest

let the Burgers do their shit

I have no interest in dying in US wars

it succeeded in what it's goal was

protection from USSR

and Russia ingeneral

how about this

all of you big nations fuck off

and let the rest of us live in peace

what are we supposed to defend from?

the dying Eastern shithole?

yes

they might invade Ukraine

but that would be an improvement for Ukraine tbh

> traditional warfare in 21. century Europe

Russians might try to take over economically

but Germans are more powerfull on that front

are you retarded

yea Poland has no army

France has no army

Sweden has no army

Europe has a combined army of 1,8 million

plus again

what benefit would Russia have from invading?

German army is shit yea

Poles have a pretty good one

yea the nation that will not be able to fight in 20 years because of fucked demographics will take over Europe

what incentive?

like how would they kepp controll of Europe?

this isn't strategy game

USA can't deal with Afghanistan

but Russians will keep Europe

they can't brake a third world shithole that is Ukraine but they will brake V4 and Baltics

there is nearly 2 million armed personel in Europe

4th generation warfare is a bitch

like Poland would be a bloodbath

1 million

2 in reserves

but Russia can

you do know their economy is dependent on Euro cash

we can get that from arabs

they have no sources of income outside of gas

no

Syria and Iran is

1 of those isn't even arab

wow one arab ally

yea

so they will sell us oil

again

Russia would have no chance of getting beyond Ukraine and Belarus

well

that was a nice autistic conversation

Russians?

in Ukraine?

do you know anything about Ukraine?

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oh you mean Donbas government?

that state that controls like 5% of Ukraine?

you know Russians don't have shadow government in Ukraine?

they have some separatists that run around 2 cities in eastern Ukraine

> Frech army is bad

you truly are a master of geopolitics

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hopefully it dies before it can create an army

we can switch to Norway model or western Europeans can fuck off

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I mean their relation with EU

I don't think we will find oil

Norway has a far better deal than we have

alternatively we can leave and let westeros kill itself

or at least Germany

Germany collapsing is my wet dream

France probably couldn't keep the current size of the EU

they would probably kick out East Europeans

even then they would have the problem of Euro