i really don't think this is all that productive for either of us at this point.

i don't mean to sound like i'm admitting defeat or that i don't enjoy this debate

but i've been up since 5:30 and it's about 1:30 right now over here

night, comrades

my favorite season is spring, because it's the ONLY GODDAMN SEASON WHERE THE GRASS ISN'T DEAD IN NORTH TEXAS

anyways, see you guys later

"Mr. Gorbachev, I don't feel so good..."

how has there only been one person celebrating the b-day of papa marx

idk man, i just thought more people would be talking about it

then again, i'm pretty sure marx is discussed every day

so nvm

yeah, fair point

spd are a shit

i thought the spd made it pretty fucking clear that they weren't marxists when they offed liebknecht and luxemburg

afd are a bunch of fuckin' neeeeeeerds

the left should unite to beat them up and steal their lunch money

i can tell by the username

hilarious and original

"deplatforming white nationalists is bad under all circumstances!"

"let's throw leftists out of helicopters over the pacific!"

are dirty anarchists allowed?

you can't preset it as an anarchy like you can with all the other types?

bummer.

neat.

wait, so iirc nationstates judges economic freedom in a free-market sense, right?

does that mean all anarchies are ancap?

goddamn you, max barry.

*goddamn you to hell.*

https://www.nationstates.net/region=the_communist_bloc

this one?

neat

huh

request failed a security check, probably because my nation was formed a couple minutes ago

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=mcstubbsia b e h o l d

wait

"capable police force"

*screeching*

roast me, comrades

never heard that one before

sure, the bourgeoisie might get knocked down a peg or two, but it's arguably a net gain

jesus christ, am i a utilitarian?

i've never even read bentham or mill

anyways, the quality of life for many improved quite well under socialism in many countries

saying many because there are certainly places where it failed, and i'm partial to that of the libertarian variety myself

even in places without gulags

in revolutionary catalonia, production and overall standard of living improved greatly for the majority of people

i know that sounds dubious, so i'm going to dig up a citation real quick

gimme a sec

i have it in a book, and there's a preview on amazon but i'm not sure how far it goes

so i'll see if i can find alternate docs

not necessarily, my good man

https://artir.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/captura-de-pantalla-de-2016-05-26-10-15-23.png

as you can see here, the USSR had the second highest growing economy as of 1970

second only to japan, which you've gotta admit is pretty darn impressive

gdp per head

it might have been measuring by percentage of growth rate

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.507.8966&rep=rep1&type=pdf

this is also a neat read for sustained economic growth in the ussr

it is pretty interesting, i genuine recommend it

this is also a somewhat telling graph

note the dropoff in calories riiight after glasnost and perestroika were introduced

it's really incredibly impressive, if you ask me

i think just about anything is, lol

https://gowans.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/we-lived-better-then/

blog post, but with plentiful sources

i can't say i concur, the data seems to show that once they began to introduce reforms such as glasnost and perestroika they began to decline

wait

lemme check out that graph

yep, again it seems to show the same thing

i think one discrepancy might be because of the nature of the soviet economic system, namely how it wasn't really intended to generate capital to be effective in a competitive marketplace, but rather something to support its people

wait

lemme check out those scales

looks good 2 me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Union#cite_ref-SeemingParadox_8-0

wikipedia, i know, but the stuff on birth rates and life expectancy is quite interesting and cited

i need to start compiling all of my sources into a gdoc

@Hinterwäldler you know, seeing as how you're a literal natsoc, you should shitpost in the polish chat

missed opportunity right there

another interesting sidenote: most of those countries only managed to maintain a capitalist economic system by embracing keynesianism, which eventually led to a great slowdown in the 1970s

the capitalist system can only survive when people are viewed as sources of capital acquisition and not when they are viewed, as, well, human beings.

also

completely off topic

gimme danger is the most fun song to practice on guitar

just wanted to put that out there

most certainly

but again, capitalism can only truly exist when uninhibited

however, once it is inhibited it slows down and immediately tears down any previous barriers that stood in its way

the rise and fall of the welfare state is a terrific example

btw, when i'm talking i'll use "keynesian economics" and "welfare state" interchangeably, even though it's not really correct

just want to avoid causing confusion, i'm not the best writer

the basis of capitalism is the individual accumulation of wealth, and it needs to continuously expand in order to survive

this is why regulations, while they have good intentions, are treating gangrene with neosporin

and also why they inevitably fail

and now that capitalism has overexpanded and is running out of ways to expand, it's experiencing slowdowns

well, only a very negligible amount of capital in the world isn't in the possession of the capitalist system

and capitalism requires constant growth and competition in order to survive

now that it's running out of ways to expand, it's hitting major slowdowns

possibly, i might be in bed