What do you define as socialism

Ideally we should have socialist policies in some parts of government and some capitalist frameworks in other parts.

Wait what are yall talkin about

Veganism must be adopted by all due to ethical and environmental reasons and is also the healthiest diet on the planet. Anyone wanna start this discussion?

Explain

Are we tackling ethics, environmental or health

Thats just not true

The entire American College of Cardiology Board is vegan

The most prestigious doctors and surgeons in the world are vegan. Theres plenty of science

We can talk about LDL Cholesterol, Longevity in general

🙅

This is level 1 anti-vegan argumentation.

Link scientific literature

Meat is the worst thing for your body

As natural herbivores and frugivores, our LDL rises dramatically upon eating animal products

Which puts at risk for hundreds of diseases including the #1 killer of mankind

Heart Disease

Im not reading an article by a journalist, Im talking scientific literature

Pubmed, Ncbi

For example: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

Biggest library of all scientific research ever conducted

There isnt one citation in the entire article

These are articles

Not research papers

Ok first of all, heart disease is mainly caused by meat

And ur article that u linked also states that animal products also cause gene mutations

#1 Cause of Heart Disease is Meat which raises LDL cholesterol. This is all pseudo science

Look up Adventist Health Study on google

Biggest study ever conducted over 100,000 participants

Vegans have the lowest risk of all cause mortality

The Adventists didnt conduct the study

Its called that because the Adventists had the lowest risk of all cause mortality

No

Think about it logically

we are natural herbivores

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/105/6/1462/4569801

No

We are not

Our ancestors were frugivores

We are the only omnivore that needs to cook our meat to digest it properly?

Every other omnivore can eat and digest meat raw

Without contracting salmonella

You are linking pseudo science. The article you linked says "An allele that produces Omega-3 in excess". Those specific vegetarians have increased risk of heart disease.

That doesnt apply to the entire dietary group

Okay but if we are natural omnivores

Why cant we eat meat raw

Cooking starches also allows us to get more nutrients

But we can also eat starches raw

How is it natural to eat meat?

Fish are aquatic animals, humans are ancestorally land mammals so its not a fair comparison

No you cant kill a cow on the spot and eat it, you will have huge digestion issues

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf

Give me real research***

yes, but we are not aquatically adapted so dont compare fish, that only a few of which we can eat raw

We have long digestive tracts, sweat through our pores , weak stomach acids, weak tongue acids. No omnivore or carnivore such as bears, does any of those things

No, you cannot

Proof?

Everyone can physically do it, I responded to ur earlier health claims

Raw fish as in the fish u eat in a restaurant

Its not referring to all raw fish

Lol

Its talking about seafood raw, like sushi

So certain species

Btw, we evolved from primates, we wouldnt be eating fish possible meat sources would be land mammals

Not ALL FISH

Doesnt happen if they eat right

You have to show me evidence, I take nutritional studies. Even the studies you linked, which are poorly written, dont support your points

Well yes for multiple reasons. First environment, then ethics

No, veggies are much more storable than meat, which is why you never hear of legumes being "rotten". Animal agriculture is the #1 cause of global warming due to methane and nitrous oxide. Third largest emissions of CO 2 worldwide

Literally the largest carbon footprint in the world

http://www.greeneatz.com/foods-carbon-footprint.html

30 heads of lettuce still less footprint than a pig. Also we dont eat lettuce, the most protein dense food in the world is TVP

Which is vegan

Thats not coming from a vegan^^^

http://www.worldwatch.org/files/pdf/Livestock%20and%20Climate%20Change.pdf

Ur just asserting baseless claims

Whats your question

I answered

I said yes, due to environmental reasons and ethics

Why shouldnt it

Listen, even some research is biased Im willing to read whatever u throw my way.

Meat and its byproducts because of processing and growth are the #1 contributor to global warming.

Ok , but we should be

Its kind of like SLavery 200 years back. People couldnt imagine it being illegal

Times change 🤷

Explain

http://www.fao.org/3/a0701e/a0701e00.htm

Study by the united nations

Animal agriculture is the leading cause of global warming

Take 5 mins to skim it

Im not asking u to unreasonable read the whole thing

No, this is again level 1 anti-vegan arguments

There are 2 billion cows

Right now

In a vegan world, those cows would not be bred into existence in the first place

Therell be only the cows that are in sanctuaries and zoos

And cows in England where they roam wild'

No I didnt say that

Read ^

There will be less cows