Well, it's the first time she bails on me, so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt (but expect more value for effort next time).

When I was 16 I actually injured my hand from it.

Warning: if you do it enough, it will start to let you down.

Anyhow

good god

So many signs have to present themselves before that even comes into play

Yeah, usually the answer to a question "If I SOMETHING often enough that I now _draw blood_ when I do, am I doing it too hard or too often?" is "holy fuck how did you even get to that point?"

or more simply "If I'm bleeding, am I doing it wrong?"

Man, is this still happening?

How do you have the energy to be upset all day, @Scribblehatch ?

oh?

oh, here we go again.

suck on my super male vitality

sorry, did somebody do something unwise w.r.t. an unprincipled attack on a left-wing person, @Beemann ?

Ahh, well, I think that's probably the wrong way to look at it.

I personally want the left to survive, even if they are responsible for an unruly wave of violence and corruption in the present.

@Beemann Now that you mention it...

not a half bad idea.

The good news is that the legal system is still largely intact, so corruption, violence, and certain forms of misrepresentation can be tried and righted in a court.

(At some monetary cost)

I think generally they mean dishonesty, misrepresentation, and possibly violence.

The problem is, those tactics are designed to produce narratives which energize the left in particular.

recording your shit is not a partisan issue, it's a matter of basic prudence.

If it is legal for you to record your conversations (which is unfortunately not the case in many places), then you should do it.

it is so cheap these days

there is no excuse except the legality

well, recording on your phone is a bad way to go

since it encourages you to pick and choose when to record

sure

if it's all you have, definitely

just keep in mind what effect convenience has on things

I'm sure the folks over in <#467577750325297162> will tell you all about the effect of convenience on _compliance with a regimen_.

Why nobody uses the voice channels

too much typing

pfft

you and your structured employment

Yeah

I think there's one open to plebians

the rest are patron only IIRC

There is one, at least.

IC

TR2 just doesn't look like it has any restrictions

also, didn't realize that "Pleb" is an actual role on this Discord

I can't tell if you guys are agreeing or not, it all sounds so resentful

with what?

"<#463054787336732683>"

timing and other sidechannel attacks are, however, completely trivial when it comes to abacus.

it's fully documented https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus

Wow, my mother is a master interrogator

She's coaxing damning admissions from a complete stranger over the telephone, about an event two years in the past.

@grant Wait a couple weeks and it'll be an NYT op-ed

@grant I mean it'll start to be phrased more like you put it, rather than accidental/implicit, as with The Daily Beast.

(except if you intend to spend so many hours in the sky that radiation exposure becomes a serious risk)

How's lunch going, fools? http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=0c81510fc76831c88551ebdb44637c33

woah, somebody's actually using the talk room

mega excite

@Vesdii that a dude

lol

that is a bit misleading

you might want to adjust that behaviour, people are verymuch misled.

dude, looks like a laydee

_is shocked_

_'s essential world view is thoroughly overturned._

did somebody say 波動拳?

Salt also attracts moisture from the atmosphere in its solid form

@RyeNorth afraid of the DQ?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Dairy_Queen_logo.svg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAlDoAtV7Y

hot damn, that is the worst star wars line, in my opinion

"only Sith deal in absolutes"

_only sith_

seems like that would take up a lot of the attention

somebody really ought to create some sort of system to take the wind out of bomb hoaxes

maybe it should be impossible to contact the organizers on the day of the event without tickets.

then third parties would be unable to create scares

I need to go to DEF CON again now that I'm of age to drink in the U.S.

Last time I went, I was 17, so I had to lie to the hotel to even be allowed to stay. Contract relies on direct liability.

Cool vinyl record badge thing though, with coded message on it.

I brought a fresh Chromebook for that reason.

I'm glad I did, since I ended up installing crouton at the conference, so that I could use a USB serial lead which was part of the tamper-evident village challenge, which sadly none of us completed. Nobody else was comfortable plugging a completely random USB lead into their precious ThinkPads.

(though I did my part, figuring out that the baud rate was 42 on that serial adapter, and decoding the [vaguely enciphered] message.)

I still use phone-based modems, albeit in a point-to-point config. Though I can't exactly tell you why, it was really the best option for what I was doing four years ago when I set it up. (and the modem could mostly be encased in resin, which was a big plus)

Alexander Macgillivray seems okay, worked with CAMFED, which is seemingly a fairly transparent and well functioning organization.

Anil CEOs Fog Creek, which I'm sure some people here are familiar with, and I don't think he's done anything controversial there. He worked with the Obama administration.

Anil seems to be connected to people at Twitter. Alexander Macgillivray worked with Twitter as GC. So Anil + Alexander a Twitter connection makes, though somewhat weakly.

Anil recommended to Twitter that they more aggressively police the userbase, and endorsed the use of community-maintained blocklists like Block Together (and IIRC he was involved socially in Twitter adding the block list import feature).

_Catherine Bracy_ doesn't have a clickable profile on that page, which could be a sign.

Catherine Bracy also worked for the Obama administration (on Code for America), in a similar capacity to Anil Dash (“adviser to the Obama White House’s Office of Digital Strategy”[0]), it seems.

[0]: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-01-02/-making-the-tech-world-more-humane-and-ethical

_Anil Dash_ has defended the SSRC (of which _Alondra Nelson_ is President) in public,
https://twitter.com/anildash/status/983408275164225536

@Atkins that is... a pretty disappointing GitHub profile. All of the commits are documentation (barely), it seems.

Most of these people seem like typical East coast "startup culture" types.

https://giphy.com/gifs/l378qdk6ZhFXucgbS

John is guilty only of inexplicably whoring out the image of his family on his baby company: Giphy.

I think I ~~know~~ have met a couple of these people.

I'd look at the odd ones out: the west coast folks. ;- )

Alondra Nelson seems like your typical activist in that area, and thematically related to their recent release I guess.

I think I have a copy of one of those books sitting around here...

Yeah, that one's right on her D&S profile

_Deirdre Mulligan_ seems just fine, fellow IEEE member.
https://www.law.berkeley.edu/our-faculty/faculty-profiles/deirdre-mulligan/

@King Canuck If you can dream it, you can make it.

@Atkins Yeah, I think maybe she's mostly there because she doesn't want them to go ahead without her at least saying her piece (or hearing others do so)

@Atkins you want I should start a spreadsheet?