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fhtagn

Running on two hours sleep right now

yea

I guess

I am off today

first time I have been off on a Friday beginning a Congress

in over a year

I might do that after twelve

Just declared for Speaker

While I appreciate any attempts to help sway voters, remember The Saints words last night. High Ethical standards must be followed when doing so

He is my top choice for Deputy Speaker

I am going to try once again to track activity in a public thread

this time it won't be in my office, where no one reads it

it will be its own thread

Just putting this out there, Queen Victoria liked dogs

😛

So has anyone noticed the Amendment to the Return Education to the Regions bill

Where House members failed to read title and first line and fall over themselves to try and find ever more requirements to add to the curriculum mandate

Welcome Back Centralist Consensus, Previously residing in Nyman 2004-2016

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=286002.0

Between this and gutting the paygo rule we just passed

We seem to be retrograding back, to the previous paradigm

What do you mean

Well keep in mind we used to keep track of far more amendments

it is just that people have gotten extremely lazy

Basicalyl the way we kept it organized back then

was if it was actually pending, it would say amendmetn offerred

What are you referring to specially, the bill I linked above?

The whole bill is an amendment to the bill you signed

To that bill, there have since been several amendments

pushing to expand the number of required subjects

Basically, Wxtransit, is reposting his amendment to satisfy each new request or point

I would say revised but I am going to treat the final offered text as a new amendment

different from the first one he offered

Exactly

Because once you load up the requirements, section 3 has to go

since you need the staff back to administer it

And knowing this Congress they will likely keep the grants, add back the staff and say who cares when it comes to deficit 😛

lol

You know the irony here is

our debt was much lower pre-reset

Because taxes were far figher, much earlier

It was about 12 Trillion

But taxes were ridiclous

60% top rate

and that was a moderate position

JCL was called extreme for pushing for 45%

yes

Of coruse TNF was pushing for 90%

And it was set at 50% for a while

but sbane and I grudingly conceded to 60% because we care about debt

I think only Maxwell voted no on that 60% rate

ironic now

same as RL yes

well RL 2016

I wish he had given break downs for each line of text

each bracket I mean

Its possible

We also need to find some ways to raise more revenue for healthcare

I have some questions about that estimate

for instance

Mediciad has to funding sources

Federal and state

Is the state portions being included or not in their estimates

The other rather thing we could address budget wise is Social Security, though not immediately a big driver of the deficit

That explains the shortfall then

or at least most of it

States account for 37% of Medicaid spending on average

So then it is not the shortfall

I was talking about the revenue side

You see we are already beneath RL

Medicare and Medicaid alone are

1.2 Trillion in RL

Sp healthcare is under by about $200 billion

hmm

WE are going to need to do a bill to on the Medicaid situation

Here is the problem

the budget is acting as if both the Spending and revenue still occurs at the state level

as if nothing had changed

But Medicaid doesnt' exist

anymore

So what is that money going to

Abolished Medicaid

and incorporated it into the subsidy

So the entire cost of Mediciad is borne through the subsidy at the federal level

and the federal expense list should include both portions

Our deficit is thus worse than what the GM department says

We need to find a way to transfer that state revenue to the federal level to cover the state portion presently not included

that 39%

is about $234 billion

which is the same amount that the deficit is undervalued by

1,134 Trillion

or somewhere around there

The good news is this is funded

the money is just sitting in the wrong place

We have to find a way to get that money kicked up to the federal level

Either with regional agreements,

or with them cutting the taxes that pay for it and us enacting them federally

That gets us back to $900 billion

Then we come up with the rest of the shortfall presently in healthcare

which appears to be about $200 billion

so $700 billion deficit

yes

We also need to get the mistake fixed in the BPC

Actually after the mediaid portion is fixed, we need $131 billion exactly

and healthcare will be fully funded

leaving $769 billion in deficit from other programs

Basically same as RL

minus the tax cut bill in December

Keep in mind Lumine is going to fight us on defense spending cuts in the Senate

he is now litterally

John McCain

I was just reading some information about that as well

obviously

Regardless PUP will compare us to Paul Ryan

It puts a smile on my face realizing just how much Federalists are like Walter Jones.

It is not Paul Ryan fiscal conservatism, it is more blue dog fiscal conservatism combined with Walter Jones' foreign policy

We rely on the opposition to make this fun though

and that was the problem in 2017

Late Labor was just too passive

Considring you kind of succeeded each other

😛

Also RIP seat number 9

Fed March 2017- Mar 2018

Well technically not always Fed since Dereich was Indy

Yes

Its the Never seat

on paper

Funny thing is they once attacked us for "accumlating titles etc"

yet when it comes to Speakership

that was basically Never

Reminds of Duke's line criticizing the the old DA as a "Party of Disconnted Malcontents", right as I was trying to get them to like us, this was leaked

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

lol

by Hamilton using NiK's account

one of the people he would have been referring to is Tmth

That was in late 2009

some things don't change, they just evolve with time

You would have likely been one of the LNF

back then

the party PiT tried to cut a deal with, only to have it leaked

More likely

you would have been a foot soldier in Adam's Cottonfield

in 2012/2013

And then a facility of Rimjob in June 2013

facilitor

This should seriously have an Atlasian Wiki article

Pacific Gov't is nonexistant

Emergency elections are held

cabal of people from #atlasforum is elected as a majority

they pass a "fourth constitution" allowing them to amend the cosntitution by majority vote

they then amend the region's gov't out of existance

two days before June Presidential election

Labor by 2 votes

It almost cost them the election

Because it was a Labor/Liberal ticket

but Liberals began defecting

since well they were ones being overthrown by a combination of NMAM, Labor and Atlasforum Indies

National Movement Aliya Mustafina

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/National_Movement_%22Aliya_Mustafina%22

lol

It goes back to the JCP era

there had always been a group on the left who hated bgwah

most were based out of the Midwest

and they formed a series of parties to protest the dominance of the JCP

the Liberals inherited this hatred

NMAM was merely the 2012-2013 outburtst of this anti-establishment leftism

Well ironically it is because thE JCP disrupted the ability of this group to dominate elections

Also like those who were against Labor in 2017

Labor got its start very much as a leftist populist rebellion to the JCP turned Liberal dominance

and then Labor essentially became the same thing

by 2017

Not that I recall

IT was in January I think, right the first OMG we are losing Mom scare around the 25th

DTC still bothers me because of his sudden departure followed by militant opposition

Keep something else in mind about these dynamics

there is an ideological factor

JCP was more socially liberal and is dissdent leftists were more socialsit and leftwing

The Federalists are deeply engrained in regionalism,

the RPP and Feds have had dissident voices

cricizing them and some times working against them

Winfield almost singledhandedly defeated Duke by not cross preferencing him against Snowguy

in Oct 2011

There was the DR in 2013/2014, which was a libertarian opposition party

There typically is at least one faction on the right that the feds cannot completely satisfy

In 2013 and 2014, it was libertarians

in 2015 it was Lumine and Cris

That is also nothing new

Horse Takes up Painting

Leipist National Front

Silly Party

Though most of them were more left than not, there have always been parties that were "not serious"

or "memers" as weould call them today

lol dfw

yea right

Also NMAM would be on that list since post 2012 Olypmics that was a big meme

Threads in History/Trends board: "When did Fhtagn and DFW switch places/platforms"

Yes

it was the cool thing to shit on the America team and this was before muh Russia evil

I actually ran against Hashy in June 2013

for Senate

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=172546.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=174422.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=174433.msg3755141#msg3755141

This debate is another example: basically everybody is agreeing with one another, or if they're not, they don't engage with one another. What purpose does this serve? Yeah, none.

Nobody is going to read some verbal diarrhea on a topic totally irrelevant to the real problems facing Atlasia. Only the Mustafinist-Komovists propose solutions to those problems.

The Senate has become the equivalent of Spain's Parliament prior to 1923, dominated by the pernicious cycles of the turno pacífico. Moderate heroes rule the Senate, and they ensure that nothing remotely noteworthy gets done. As long as this is the case, Atlasia is hopelessly hosed up.

vote for the Mustafinist-Komovists is a message to the political caste that some people are fed up with this endless cycle of politicking, petty squabbling, moderate heroism and useless crap which destroys Atlasia. The Mustafinist-Komovists stand for a Revolution.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=175109.0

Trump is idiosyncratic. Like Morden is often repeating himself. Trump doesn't understand ideology, he thinks the same way a low information voter does

combined with a paternalistic outlook

It is a shame no one else said yes to running in Lincoln

Wulfric is just too divisive

Reminds me of Foucaulf's campaign

Attacked Federalists and then assumed they would vote for him to stop Griffin

he was wrong

I tried Vern but he wasn't able to

I didn't contact him

Well it is a little late to try a write in

but we clearly should have run someone

Is that even possible

He lost dkrolga and Not Madigan

and Mike88

Pghsteal is invalid no?

A lot of these people did not vote in February

the remaining ones I mean

I think he might get 5 or 6 more votes

so yea a closer margin

I miss the cadre of PA Republicans

Keystone PHil

Supersoulty

etc

I have never changed my avatar since I joined the site in August 2008

yes

Vern had one for a while

Tb78

before he switched to indy

also the infamous Vanderblubb

blubb was famous for changing his avatar and display name to match other posters and tricking people into thinking they were them in spoof threads

And Jewish conservative

infamous for the line "Tossup/tilt Gay"

taft4prez was another

Duke alternated between R-SC and R-NC depending on when he was at Wake Forest or home in Charleston

I support a paper, but I would be concerned about comparisons to Fox News

Adam's Laborinth was a serious partisan press

very different from the questioner

For instance, Adam tanked a proposal for a Liberal/Fed ticket

by exposing it in the paper

My worry with the fox news comparison is that it will instantly be disregarded