Oh boy

Sup guys. I'm Engine. I like to play devil's advocate

Center leftist that believes Male privilege is pretty realistic

For the most part.

Just to star off introductions: I am a liberal. How I define liberal basically means that I advocate for empowering people to make whatever choices they want to in life so long as it doesn't infringe on the right of others.

Yeah probably

I don't really subscribe to libertarianism but I get it.

I think there are some issues that society and the free market can't solve.

European centrist? Or the American one?

Because American centrism is cancer

Sure thing

Male privilege

I think it exists for the most part

It's kind of impossible "quantify" because there isnt one particular source that it comes from.

I can give you several reasons as why it exists

Same with female privilege, that too also exists in some ways

So privilege is typically a result of how we're socialized. Gender roles inform our society of what we think of the genders. We think men are more independent than women and therefore more capable in some capacity. We think women are always victims to violence, therefore they always win divorce cases. Men had much longer to vote and work than women do so they're raised with different standards. Theres a ton of reasons that are limited to some patriarchal society forcing women down.

It's the same reason systematic racism exists

There isnt some racist smoke filled backroom

Its just the system had been set up against black people for a long time

Same with women

That's just how I see things.

Are you a troll...?

K

So to answer your question, men are seen as more valuable than women by society, they overall make a higher income, theres a ton of socialization that puts them at an advantage over women.

Before you go on

Can you explain those terms?

In the context of your response I mean

Also I already told you, we're socialized into valuing men more than women. Not that long ago men were seen as the workers because they're stronger than women and therefore have more value than a woman that takes care of children

Oh really? Please educate me

Do you deny the fact that men dominated the private and public sector for decades before the feminist movement?

Indigo I think were talking about something else my dude

Because their labor is valued more highly than a womans?

Are you like trying to make a meme here?

Is this a joke?

Well you're like totally disregarding my point and are instead talking about female privilege.

Which I did not deny

By the way

So did you want to have a discussion or are you just trolling?

Yeah but you keep jumping between them. We need to go over each thing one at a time. When I talk about labor, you cant just jump to violence. That's not how a reasonable conversation works.

Male and female privilege is really all encompassing my dude

Sup dude. I'm a libtard fighting the bad fight.

Labor.

Okay!

So you would agree!

Dude I totally get you. Then we agree that in some cases men have an advantage over women in certain professions

You just said, "It would depend on the labor,"

So we agree.

Good job dude!

I mean shit that's primarily marketed to men like computer sciences or something

Do you acknowledge that a man's labor and capability is valued more than a womans?

"Boys are stronger and smarter than girls, therefore..."

Their value is.....

Come on! You can do it!

When society values the labor of men over women, then they're at an advantage predicated on gender.

Therefore....

Male privilege

They got something women don't

I don't subscribe to naturalistic science being the deciding factor of my life decisions

Just because we are a certain way doesnt mean we have to be.

I don't believe gender is real so

Yeah

They are

Every time I bring this up i just get dunked on

I believe in them, sure.

In terms of there being binary sexes, yeah sure

I just said I believe in binary sexes. That appears to be a recurring phenomenon in human.s

Now, whether or not your sex determines your gender is whole other discussion

Oh my I'm being double teamed.

Okay. So. Having your worth be my valuable to society is like textbook systematic sexism. Not overt, it just means the system is stacked against women.

One at a time please, my butthole can only take so much

I don't think the sexes are the same biologically

But I don't see any difference between men and women

Not really

Gender is a social construct my dude

It's just some make believe crap.

Some yeah.

And some men are weaker than women.

The whole point of promoting equality is to get rid of this notion that there differences between men and women. Other than physical traits, you can't actually explain a difference between them other than what was socialized through years of living with each other.

Girls don't have to wear pink but we tell them to

Men don't have to do hard labor

I DIDN'T SAY THERE WEREN'T PHYSICAL DIFFERENCES

I said there weren't differences between the GENDERS

Other than the gender roles society makes up

If you say men are strong- okay