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2018-08-08 19:52:30 UTC

The modern public square is now on the internet, clustered on privately owned platforms. To be *SYSTEMATTICALLY COLLUDED AGAINST AND VIRTUALLY EXECUTED* is a detriment to the democratic process in a healthy, functioning republic.

2018-08-08 19:53:15 UTC

What happenes when your bank, and even Visa starts to drop customers for wrongthink?

2018-08-08 19:53:33 UTC

Trusting private companies to abide to societal norms by themselves and to care for the people and not their own interests is quite a leap

2018-08-08 19:53:53 UTC

Companjes do what benefits their pockets

2018-08-08 19:53:53 UTC

Fuck off back to the soviet-bloc hell hole you climbed out of

2018-08-08 19:53:58 UTC

Jesus

2018-08-08 19:54:32 UTC

This will just go into a creation of two separated ideological places on the internet

2018-08-08 19:54:51 UTC

Same goes for things like Visa

2018-08-08 19:55:02 UTC

A conservative alternaive will emerge

2018-08-08 19:55:36 UTC

If you wish true freedom of speech among internet platforms, then it is up for the state to intervene to make it legally binding

2018-08-08 19:55:52 UTC

Until then, it's company policy

2018-08-08 19:56:55 UTC

This is a problem hoe the internet is defined

2018-08-08 19:57:25 UTC

Twiter and facebokk will fail If they kick out half of their userbase

2018-08-08 19:57:54 UTC

It's not about opinions, it's about media competition and narrative control

2018-08-08 19:59:54 UTC

You have a house a senate and a republican presidency

2018-08-08 19:59:59 UTC

It is true, they control what's in the platform, they control what you see. But it's up to you to not be solely reliant on one company to get your narrative from

2018-08-08 20:00:15 UTC

They fucking collude, you dunce

2018-08-08 20:00:20 UTC

This just proves the republicans are impotent are in it for the lobby money

2018-08-08 20:00:25 UTC

Alex Jones has his own platform and website

2018-08-08 20:00:50 UTC

Yeah, and now his video host, and email provider have dropped him as well

2018-08-08 20:01:01 UTC

Youtube, Facebook and twitter were merely one of his distributors

2018-08-08 20:01:18 UTC

Quit talking to me like I don't understand the process lol

2018-08-08 20:01:33 UTC

How long until his website provider drops him?

2018-08-08 20:01:43 UTC

I give it a few days

2018-08-08 20:01:54 UTC

If you understand the process then you know that he has other options

2018-08-08 20:02:11 UTC

hard when all of sosial media is a sneeze from a total monopoly, and for how long. we have seen before they have removed web pages from the web easy

2018-08-08 20:02:26 UTC

The problem with getting the state into internet platform regulations is that each country abides different sets of rules and has different interests, so if a platform had to align with every country they might ditch some in the way

2018-08-08 20:02:32 UTC

How long until Sargon gets on the chopping block

2018-08-08 20:03:20 UTC

It'll be super soon

2018-08-08 20:03:28 UTC

How do you NOT see the problem where private companies have successfully privatized the concept of thought police, the concept of an 'unperson', and mass social manipulation on behalf of NGOs and international political organizations?

2018-08-08 20:03:54 UTC

How does this not strike fear and anger into you?

2018-08-08 20:03:56 UTC

the hate speach roules is writen is such ways that anything is hate speach and if they hate your speach they can remove it

2018-08-08 20:04:04 UTC

Doesn't that just show that they have been given too much power?

2018-08-08 20:04:09 UTC

Hate speech = wrongthink

2018-08-08 20:04:25 UTC

@Capitรกn Alatriste Ahh, but they're a "private company", no?

2018-08-08 20:04:53 UTC

We've had this exact conversation already :3

2018-08-08 20:04:54 UTC

Exactly, private companies need to be kept in check

2018-08-08 20:05:08 UTC

They don't. The market does that.

2018-08-08 20:05:24 UTC

@Shurik Yeah, and you're a nihilist who's willing to get raped because it's 'inevitable'.

2018-08-08 20:05:24 UTC

lol

2018-08-08 20:05:30 UTC

The market cares little for free speech

2018-08-08 20:05:37 UTC

I'm not a nihlist lol.

2018-08-08 20:05:51 UTC

Nihilist*

2018-08-08 20:06:08 UTC

atm the free marked dont work as intended as the big 4, have so much power they can remove anyone trying to start a competision. just look at gab

2018-08-08 20:06:13 UTC

@Shurik Yes we need more free trade with China
that will surely solve our problems

2018-08-08 20:06:36 UTC

@Capitรกn Alatriste The end of the day the market cares about stability

2018-08-08 20:06:39 UTC

Ahh yes, the free trade of Apple's ownership by China

2018-08-08 20:07:04 UTC

The free market is just as much of a threat to your liberty as a government is

2018-08-08 20:07:09 UTC

Wouldn't the forces of the free market have made a new online video sharing platform to compete against youtube with all the freedoms?

2018-08-08 20:07:09 UTC

>free market is not a single entity or monolith

2018-08-08 20:07:12 UTC

I don't think China's tech scene is as sttong as silicone valley

2018-08-08 20:07:26 UTC

@Capitรกn Alatriste Who will host the videos?

2018-08-08 20:07:28 UTC

china is good at one thing, stealing everyone else shit

2018-08-08 20:07:34 UTC

@Shurik They dont need since they do blatant IP theft

2018-08-08 20:07:46 UTC

>free market needs individuals to work

2018-08-08 20:08:00 UTC
2018-08-08 20:08:00 UTC

I mean we shouldn't be producing stuff in China imo. But I don't decide that.

2018-08-08 20:08:00 UTC

>free market is not a goverment

2018-08-08 20:08:17 UTC

I mean it's a reason they are called Chinese knockoffs.

2018-08-08 20:09:04 UTC

@Fitzydog you buy domains

2018-08-08 20:09:04 UTC

last video share site that did try was crused by google. google did use it posion to make them none existen on the internet

2018-08-08 20:09:17 UTC

Google is already creating a censored search engine for China. Wouldn't it be more efficient and cheaper to just merge the search engines?

2018-08-08 20:09:36 UTC

Like as fucked as silicone valley is at the moment. The USA is still the biggest exporter of ideas.

2018-08-08 20:09:44 UTC

@Capitรกn Alatriste Who's going to sell a domain to a platform who hosts 'Nazis'? Or server space?

2018-08-08 20:10:01 UTC

And the highest number of tech start-ups.

2018-08-08 20:10:07 UTC

A Nazi @Fitzydog

2018-08-08 20:10:26 UTC

Servers aren't that expensive, nor is an internet connection.

2018-08-08 20:10:28 UTC

Remember Hatreon?

2018-08-08 20:10:31 UTC

Most people have a price, despite their ideology

2018-08-08 20:10:36 UTC

@Fitzydog money always buys you what you need, it's a free market afterall

2018-08-08 20:10:42 UTC

or even more simply someone at google did say that startup was for nazis and it dead

2018-08-08 20:10:47 UTC

Remember Hatreon? Anyone?

2018-08-08 20:10:51 UTC

Gone

2018-08-08 20:11:39 UTC

The *entire supply chain* for the tech community is ideologically infected

2018-08-08 20:12:07 UTC

I mean that's a byproduct of the universities leaning super hard left for the past forever

2018-08-08 20:12:14 UTC

social media and the forces of corruption

2018-08-08 20:12:17 UTC

You'd literally need to create a parallel internet and economic system at this point just to get around this shit

2018-08-08 20:12:41 UTC

when the people that sell domains are sjw as well you have a huge problem

2018-08-08 20:12:44 UTC

What forces of corruption? @๐Ÿ˜JIK Bleach๐Ÿ˜œ

2018-08-08 20:13:02 UTC

You dont have a problem. You have a hypocrite. @Nordhand

2018-08-08 20:13:14 UTC

Doesn't matter, that's the free market.

2018-08-08 20:13:46 UTC

I'm aware.

2018-08-08 20:14:28 UTC

This ecosystem is still super young. The internet as we know it has only been around for 1/1.5 decades.

2018-08-08 20:15:19 UTC

The *ecosystem* is choking out the rest of our functioning society.

2018-08-08 20:15:34 UTC

Elaborate.

2018-08-08 20:15:44 UTC

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.

2018-08-08 20:15:46 UTC

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2018-08-08 20:15:51 UTC

because muh ideoligy

2018-08-08 20:15:56 UTC

This whole damn conversation

2018-08-08 20:16:42 UTC

but they based in US surely they can work something out? (legislation)

2018-08-08 20:17:27 UTC

You have 4 tech giants that are willing and able to control the ideological flow of natural conversation, and are being told which way to push by the Media/Political/Academic complex

2018-08-08 20:17:29 UTC

Why do you want the government to get involved in the internet? Also how would you propose the government regulate the internet?

2018-08-08 20:18:14 UTC

What 4 are you talking about? Google, Facebook, Twitter, and? @Fitzydog

2018-08-08 20:18:22 UTC

Apple

2018-08-08 20:18:26 UTC

What

2018-08-08 20:18:26 UTC

or Microsoft

2018-08-08 20:18:29 UTC

Basically uphold the laws of free speech regardless of the situation

2018-08-08 20:18:29 UTC

What

2018-08-08 20:18:54 UTC

The state can intervene if this right is infringed upon

2018-08-08 20:18:57 UTC

I guess I can see Microsoft because of Bing and the power of defaults, but even then that's a pretty weak case.

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