@hitler

lmao yes the appeasement argument

I don't think you understand that the people were against resistance

if we just leave hitler alone everything will be fine!

In the German past especially

Evening fellas

Dictators and Monarchs were always hold in high regard

"the people" do not exist. Kill that idea. There are individuals.

Back from the ~~gulag~~ Gym.

What happens when they kill Hitler then Communists take over instead? They fight the Communists too or?

*the people on average*

just kill both, thats what liberalism is for.

@Ϻ14ᛟ Destroy the hitler personality cult and plunge the nation into chaos that would prevent it from warring

Bruh

you don't understand

I think pragmatically people might have thought let Hitler kill the Communists then when he is done with them, we kill Hitler

It wasn't 10 nazis and 1000 citizens

It was 1000 nazis and 10 citizens

@Short Fat Otaku Labour is useless

that was part of what made Nazi Germany unique as a dictatorship

Why wasnt the pug arrested?

Grossly offensive

#GrosslyOffensive

Atleast this circus would make sense

your argument is based on an assumption that an armed minority would be overwhelmed by the majority, thats simply not the case. No matter how badly they hated the jews I seriously doubt any of them will run into a ghetto lined with the bodies of dead brownshirts.

well the majority also has guns?

it is better to die free than live under tyranny.

yeah that's the thing

people don't always value their ideas over their lives

especially not then

because they're cowards

cowards with no principles

yeah most people are cowards

It was more then about the Jews though. They were fiercely anti-Communist which was a huge threat back then, more so then just socially nowadays but with huge communist armies near by.

American values are built up on inalienable principles

that are imbedded into the culture

other countries don't have that

they're not culturally prepared to die for their ideals

life liberty and the pursuit of happiness

What MTK said too

antifaschistische aktion were in Germany in the 1930s which were the paramilitary group for the Communist party, which is where Antifa came from.

and its made us the most successful and freest nation in human history, whats your point?

though tbf they voted 30% communist up until the final election

They had Communists in their Communities they were fighting too

I'm making the point that people here don't want guns

you said that enabled dictators

And I responded with that they didn't want to get rid of their dictators either

it isn't a matter of wanting or not wanting, you have no means of defending your rights except faith in the state.

there is literally nothing stopping another Hitler.

^

The only way a hitler could come to power now is if we elect him

Except NATO

same way the original hitler came to power

and if we elect him chances are there's not going to be the glorious uprising

the next hitler will probably be a part of NATO for all we know. European culture is based on the blissfully ignorant assumption that life will always be great and that Europe will remain largely isolated from outside threats.

No

It is based in trust into our institutions

Exactly

you put all your faith in the state

And the ways our institutions allow us to shape policy

is the word "hitler " supposed to be interchangeable for dictator right now?

For Germany yes

yes

not for me

"allow us" has a nice ring lol

XD

allow us as in enable us

but yeah funny wording

exactly, you are never free to do anything, you are allowed. permitted. privileged. you get a silly little permit. you are *not* free.

liberty is freedom from, not freedom to.

In Britain you need a freedom licence

People value their lives

yea its called a US visa.

there is a difference between the liberty to die for your beliefs

and the liberty of majority democratic rule

thats not liberty

We are the only ones that can vote to restrict our freedoms

those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

If we vote to give up our freedoms, there is no point in individual freedom

if we vote to upkeep our freedoms, we already have personal liberty

what you just described isn't liberty. again I don't think this is a concept you grasp.

If you had to ask permission it isn't a right.

This conversation is stupid

its a privilege.

We don't have a problem with it being as you call it a 'priviledge' though

This is a cultural difference front to back

We push for more or less priviledges as a democracy

the only way to guarantee your liberty is by having an insurance plan in the form of an armed people. How do you oppress people with rifles? You kick one door down and get riddled with gunfire.

Under the framework of what the basic law grants us

This is why the US is uninvadeable.

and despite the government allowing us certain things

the basic law is still inalienable

We are literally immune to foreign takeover

Having or not having arms mean shit.

Armed people can be alienated

No, geography is why

if it is disrespected by politicans, they get thrown out

This idea that "we have guns, so we are free" it's ridiculous

even if you had direct land border and no US military, you would have to outnumber us.

we have guns so we are free = we are free so long as there's not a bigger force of opinion to gun us down

@Fulcrum010 thats a simplistic take.