until they die

I've always been put off by widespread condemnation of people

where is prozak to tell us it's an egalitarian view, and dismiss it

what I care about: there is no good metal

woah now

who said that?

me, just now

why would you say that?

cause there isn't, anymore

anymore

well of course not at all

else what am I into

there are good bands

maybe there was never good metal

there are some good albums that come out every year

albeit just a handful

no, not true

not every year

yeah last year sucked big shit

Nester counted, he's good with that stuff

well generally speaking

Every year

prozak's website makes a list

like every other metal website

is that the handful?

@Nester keeper of the archives

yea

this year, there isnt one good/great release

maybe two with some elements of goodness

but I would have to check

in the last 16 years, Infamous's first album and Sammath - Godless Arrogance is all I can name

offhand

sammath sucks

hahahahahahahahahaah

and if you knew what my standard was

how little I ask for

it just has to be real

that's a good point to make dude

metal is lost

i don't think it's dead

per se

these thoughts were spurred by Jag Panzer

Profanatica Thy Kingdom Cum

I was listening to Ample Destruction and I thought

i thought kambatian premaster was pretty close to a stripped down metal aesthetic

"if metal was even this good, I would not only be happy, but ecstatic"

content

like paul ledney trying to find it again on his own

Thy Kingdom Cum is a piece of shit

the only adventerous album i've heard of the last decade

i do wonder what will become of metal, and if it will ever explode again

it's the ultimate in cool aesthetic, minimal music

@vry_o Kembatinan is great

Thy Kingdom Cum can be forgiven as some experimental jaunt

if I never heard any track from that album again, I'd be happy

it was the first album i was blown away by again

It's decidedly uncool. It takes conventionally appealing music and makes it jarring and uncomfortable

i can remember listening to it while cooking pork chops

and having to stop

to take in what i was hearing

There is no music in it

to be jarring and uncomfortable

well, minimal

it's still Profanatica

There is music what the helll

no what the hell

There's also a bit of celebration in it

Humor

wry amusement

mockery sure

yeah there's a lot of that

lot of aesthetic

Yeah

lots of instruments

making regular sounds

consonant and dissonant

it's all put together into a package

it's music

there are a few grandiose gestures

it would fit a scientific definition of music certainly

I love ir

It

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbfwOijvUDE

this song here

It's one of my favorite recent releases

Yeah?

When is the last time you listened to it

@vry_o you're talking about Kembatinan right

yes

@fallot a month or two ago

i think paul ledney is about as metal as they come

but i think that metalness comes from a synthesis of alternating perspectives

between what vig and fallot were discussing

Yeah dude I like that he used Havohej to find new directions

furiously cock slapping

Purple Cloak is amazing

dude

i actually keep that stowed away

You are right though Paul ledney is a living crossection

i have to give it a go now

do it

Now

I feel like all my wisdom has gone to waste except in one instance

I could never teach anyone anything

in this topic

you mean nester

no

he is a peer

not a student

I cant teach him anything, he already has the juice

all I could do to him is tell him "trust your own instinct"

Maybe you should just not try to teach people

the only guy I think I helped is dead last

I'm not trying to teach people

just incidentally

he was an exemplary student

You seem very compelled to do it

Don't lie

I feel compelled to share my thoughts

and I do like to help people realize stuff, but more about what they themselves are

rather than any way I want to shape them

so if you claimed to be into metal

I'd make a big deal out of it

but if you weren't, I wouldnt mention it

that still sounds like teaching

I guess it's does, I suppose the point is

it's not for the student

dont mind the patronizing tone really

Sure it's a vanity thing

No, it has nothing to do with me

it's for the "thing" whatever it is

It's a labora

Tory

Why does Dan piss you off so much

@fallot

I can't explain it to you I think

perceptual issue

I'll try

he sets me off because he seems to think and live in the same realm, but is like an alien being

like someone saying

"fried chicken tastes like shit" and meaning it literally

I can understand if you dont like the taste

but perceiving it in some totally alien fashion

and YET somehow ending up in a similar place

so he'll say a lot of good bands are good, but when I actually delve into it

it's like it's just happenstance

by comparison, yesterday prozak said some stuff about some heavy metal bands that Nester asked him about

I didn't agree with what he said, but I understood where he was coming from perfectly

Dan, I don't have a clue

it's actually more fascinating than irritating, the irritation is fascinating, I can't get enough of it

I really like him

There are perspectives you get and perspectives you don't, same as anyone else

he's just well removed from what you grasp

It's irritating when you say stuff like this

as if I don't appreciate that possibility

OK I'll stop

no, please continue

I'm just letting you know

it's fine to irritate me

No I'll stop

😦 please dont stop

There are some people I like irritating

But that's a small list

You aren't doing it deliberately

but I mean what else am I supposed to think when you literally call people monsters

it's a joke

<hella_pitted> It's not even that the audience is not discerning. Everyone I talk to about metal outside this circle KNOWS what is derivative and what not. They just don't care. They genuinely love metal music and seek out the experience of it.

calling him a monster

I know but it's indicative

uh oh

the sleeping beast has been awakened

you thought you had it bad with me

They don't care as it has been reduced to a hobby. No sense in making a big deal out of what's essentially a time waster.

I've moved on

Too bad

Being dragged back will be quite uncomfortable then

I'm going to debate with the only guy in Kuwait who likes metal

I sympathize

No but I mean I've already said all I wanted to say on that subject

I actually tried to understand this issue

what is at the root of "what I see in music/metal"

I've made some hesitant progress

I don't think it's ready to be shared

<fallot> in the last 16 years, Infamous's first album and Sammath - Godless Arrogance is all I can name

You meant to say last 6 years

I've said as much yesterday

"Only good metal albums in the last 7 years are: Divine Eve - Vengful and Obstinate (2010), Infamous - Of Solitude and Silence (2011), Sammath - Godless Arrogance (2014)"

atlantean kodex

Sucks ^

no

u

it's more enduring than sammath

which was unlistenable after a single pass

they said what was needed to be said

the transaction was complete

i could move on with my life

If the music isn't taken as something that inspires and expands imagination, the important differences separating great bands and mediocre ones are rendered trivial.

Sammath becomes Marduk

Sacramentum becomes Vinterland

Bolt Thrower becomes Benediction

Wasn't directed at you, @vry_o ^

s'okay m8

> benediction

fucking fuck i hope not

sammath is way better than marduk

"christian death metal" should have never been a thing

death metal is already christian enough

contrived christian death metal is the dumbest idea

@fallot when I watch you talk to him I don't see you trying to step into his world. You try to grasp it just enough to try and drag him into yours. It's like he isn't playing with metal music the right way

It wasn't a thing. Such things can't be a thing. They're as inconsequential as countless other contrived niches.

It's like what you said about prozak, seraphim and Deuce Charlton. Their conclusions are different but the perspective is the same. You're less concerned with what people make out of things as long as their heads are in the place you want them to be.

Let's just build model tanks (panzers) with no instructions and see if we all reach the same desired result

That's why you hate my approach to any material you send my way.

And constantly try to make me interact with shit different than I do.

with my practical knowledge of construction and vigilance's engineering expertise.

do you realize what grand vision of hell you are peering at

DO YOU REALIZE

goatcraft is finna build himself a raft and flee

lifeboats for goats

Nobody comes with me on my journey

Not even goatwarbros

HOW BOUT I 3D PRINT YOU A MAP CAUSE I BEEN THERE

4TH DIMENSION BROS 4LYFE

Time?

4th dimension = time

5 dimension bros

!summon @Ꜻnnihilation

time isn't a dimension

it's a parameter for measuring points in linear format

time exists in 1D

unless you know of 3 dimensional time

He believes you'd react differently to what he shares with you were your judgments momentarily pent, so he usually only asks of you to keep an open mind and still your attitude.

no

i don't care for lesbianer or kunt's perspectives on time

those guys are dead

@vry_othey said what was needed to be said

Yes. Metal made it's point. If it's going to continue in the fashion people in the butthole.com diaspora want, it needs a new point

That's the issue.

One side thinks metal needs a point.

The other is content with it being pointless.

The metal way of seeing the world is completely rounded out

and even more

it doesn't describe the way shit is going now

If anything the more fatalistic and desperate attitude of newer bands encapsulates the feeling we all have staring into the inkblot of existence.

you dont get it

Metal presents meaningful worlds, or makes statements of worlds devoid of meaning.

its an eternal message

it can never not be relevant

You don't get art

It's not a science to explain mechanisms.

Why would it describing shit or not be relevant?