it might be gender dysphoria

They have sex and they try to act out their rearing instinct

but it has nothing to do with sex

a lot of aberrant behaviours occur in animals as well

no

And they stay together, as a couple

Yes

bonobos regularly have homosexual intercourse, as do many animals

dolphins

yeah, I'm aware

what's your point

you claimed there are no homosexual animals

there is only one animal, that can be said to have a human like pattern

of "homosexuality"

So there are gay animals

why don't you read further up

and that is sheep

homosexuality is having sex only with those of the same sex

This occurs in animals

where 10% of rams have sex exclusively with other rams

its always this number

I don't hear bonobos talking with lisps

10%

they might be @spaceplacenta

you're applying a human term to an animalistic function

you just don't speak bonobo ;D

and this one case I suspect is of an infective etiology

i refuse to buy the idea that we're just evolved monkeys

like a virus etc.

nothing wrong with that

remember, homosexuality destroys fitness

Seeing oneself as a part of nature is much more enjoyable than lusting for a supernatural world beyond

Do gays go to hell?

hell isn't real

is there any way to have a definitive understanding of what monkeys are screaming at one another

Or the equivalent of hell in islam

but @Hagel, what if nature is the supernatural

I'm asking @fallot

niggers sound like they're fighting regularly when they communicate, but they're just talking

Since he's Mohammedan

I know plenty of rednecks like that @vry_o

"I refuse to believe that we're just evolved monkeys" reveals an antagonistic attitude toward nature

It doesn't work like that but yes gay sex is a sin

It doesn't necessarily

"evolved monkeys" is not nature

but an abstraction to explain nature

Humans are above animals

It reveals a notion that being of nature, is bad

it's like saying one doesn't like the stars because they dont accept some particular big bang model

We conquered nature

@Hagel to you

Being of the spirit world, is good

The spirit world and nature would be one

if it existed thusly

they're in "oneness"

monism

Hence humans would be naturally more than evolved monkeys

the argument would be that our nature is in some sense elevated or different from primates

We're ends in ourselves

and by extension other animals

And, that this elevation can not have come through evolution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_a_Strange_Loop

No, not at all @Hagel

Yes, absolutely

Hence "just evolved monkeys" being unacceptable

No, that claim does not preclude evolution

you read a lot of meaning into it

as am I, but to show you that it allows for a lot

you can't simply judge a person's heart like this

In Islam, people go to hell for different durations

or in your words

their "values"

How long would gays be in hell?

IS IT STILL A GAY BATHHOUSE IN HERE?

yeah, muslims go to hell until their sins are burned away (if they arent supposed to end up in hell forever for some other reason)

I guess anyone who ultimately has faith in god cant be in hell forever

So hell can be a permanent environ

as far as I know

can't really speculate that much about hell, there just isnt enough to go on, I can tell you the orthodoxy

hell wasn't a centerpiece to christianity until the reformation

Do you think the Wolves of Vinland guys are going to hell?

Them being heathens and all

I can't say

http://www.amerika.org/politics/brett-stevens-live-on-the-philosophy-of-power-and-l0de-radio-hour-podcasts-tonight/

You've read the book

I don't know what is in the hearts of men, or what is important in a person's life

SWEET

like there is an anecdote of the whore

Do pagans go to hell?

who was saved as she got water for a dog

from a well with her boot

for this one act, she was saved

our lives are ones of meaningful choices, important chocies

but we may not realize which ones these are

moments in life when you make a decision based on the transcendent

do you choose to accept or reject

be your true self in unison with god

or create your own false self

What about the drones who never transcend?

like Satan

what do you mean

one can be religious and make bad choices exclusively

So if I sodomize the weak then work at an animal shelter I'm good?

perhaps only their faith persisting would save them

if that

if you repent, any sin can be forgiven

that's the whole point

it's always just one step away

you can't go deep into sin, beyond saving

Is there anything unforgivable?

in Islam, one thing

Say, like blowing up mosques or something

lol

What is it?

Only one thing in Islam, which is shirk, associating partners with God

No faith?

to make your God something other than GOd

is shirk

What does it mean to make a thing one's god?

not necessarily like, worshipping Odin

what you owe god instead goes to that thing

What do people owe god?

your worship it essentially

What do you mean by worship?

I guess it means to subsume the spirit/ego in front of God

I just noticed this channel has been named Bathhouse

Vargs Backyard has the frotbox

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirk_(Islam)

Pagans are going to hell

sorry I made one mistake

Shirk is unforgivable if unrepented

any sin can be repented

and any can be forgiven by the grace of God even if unrepented

but not shirk

Are you going back to Pakistan eventually?

in this topic, you need to try and avoid a mass vision

yeah, that's the plan

we'll see how it works out

I don't want to have my kids grow up in the UK

not beyond like 8-9years old

You should raise them in Mohammedan territory

Pakistani

that's the plan

UK could be considered muslim territory in some areas

rofl

but I dislike those

so no, it has to be home

Damn, that's depressing

You are right

I was quite shocked

well, I dont get shocked

abstractly shocked

when I saw what was essentially a muslim ghetto in Leicester

and not even just muslim, like salafist seeming

like I ended up in the UK version of saudi arabia

these Saudis have really done a number on the muslim world

They fund mosques globally

ugly mosques too

Mosques which raise money for terrorists

The one I visited was a Saudi funded mosque

sometimes, in a minority, that's not important

it's more the kind of religion they sell

it's neutered religion

take out the spirit

What spirit?

dont want to argue with you about this

you made your point

the salafists are a modern reaction

Do you feel spiritually invigorated through submission?

to God? of course

I'm only finding more of me

I always tell you remember, God is not just outside you

Should I not submit to the truth in me?

You asked me once if I would hate a being who had created reality

because he created conflict and suffering

I said that I wouldn't

You said that I should start worshipping it

I wouldn't want a relationship with such a being

The creator of both good and evil

you have the relationship already, it's whether one acknowledges it or not

I would stay away from that

Tomhet: overrated or misunderstood?

Overrated?

Underrated

It's not underrated in the anus sphere

Adequately rated then

You think it should have more mainstream exposure?

no

Or just for those who "get it"

I was listening to Beethoven and a broad asked if I was listening to carnival music

The more people that "get it" the better

but this is unlikely to happen via mainstream exposure etc.

if it was possible, sure

I don't think many people can appreciate music

yeah, I say so often enough

well, not quite that

deep down, everyone can

if not actually impaired in some gross way

like amusia or something

Well, when she said that

one can consider music listening in three stages

child, adolescent, adult

It struck a nerve

child like listening, direct access to the emotional content, the beauty

but no conscious appreciation or little conscious appreciation

Like she looks down on classical because it's not as cool as NIN (her fav band)

HBhahahahaha

adolescence, fixation on novelty, excess, difference etc.

Another NIN elitist

those are the best

Adulthood, resolution, appreciation of both childlike direct-access emotional content

and adolescent revelations

So that would make most people children in music

Metal-archives people adolescents

and say @Nester would be an adult

the middle stage is least preferable

and worst for appreciation

but it's necessary to go through

@fallot I agree. That is probably why I like NIN in the first place. Though, nothing really passed The Fragile.

to reach adulthood

I truly believe she's irredeemable

It's a deep pathology

Too deep

nin elitist??????

Fallot

NIN, Rob Zombie, Tool

how is that possible

It is irredeemable to confuse Beethoven with carnival music. What would she think of Mozart?

Are jews spiritually emaciated?

NIN elitists are very common

Probably the same @-A

Talmudic Jews.

Where does she think the basis of good metal even comes from? I am not a metal head by much but, even the music I tend to like comes from the study of good old Classical.

Oh well. Irredeemable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUwu_mMeCp0

I only ever heard the one NIN song, and it came via a string cover.

Not even the Johnny Cash cover?

Not even the Cash cover. Listening now.
The age of his voice comes through; gives the song a different effect. Or amplifies it (?)

I think it is better to the point to where when I first heard it, I thought THEY covered this from HIM. LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TEKU_f4bGc

This is decadent and degenerate. Of course it is on Facebook and acceptable on Google owned YouTube.

Trenchcoat Mafia

Best of all, this is on a channel called Game Whale. Trenchcoat Mafia indeed.

THE USUAL SOCIAL BREAKDOWN

She has a stupid face

That is because she can't play the role of a little girl being taken advantage of, because she can't act.

That's why she's in porn.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=ds21sQYsWdQ

IDEAL WOMAN IN PORN IS DUMB AS BRICKS

LIVES IN YOUR BASEMENT

CONSTANTLY HORNY