why do you need credit

To get a loan

for what

A house

I'm not that crafty

why do you want to pretend to own a house

Is Pillard working-class?

hey it'll get paid off

no it won't, you will just pay below market value rent to the government

He surely can't be upper class

and any problems or repairs will be your responsibility

eh I don't care

and if you want to move, you are tied to the place unless you can find a buyer

if property values tank, your money goes up in smoke and you are powerless to stop it

houses are a liability

Huh

if I own it...

@Deleted User 57835c2c i think you might enjoy this exilarch, i think it'd fit the criteria you mentioned earlier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVUF6f89Aq0

you have to listen to it in full though

literally one of the single stupidest financial moves a person could ever make is buying a house

i'd strongly recommend you do however

you do not own a house

it is impossible in this country to own any property

my parents own their house. It's paid off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zkps9qKxxE

no, the government lets them pretend to own it

miss property taxes for a while and you will find out real fast who really owns it

Could you image Pillard in a three-piece suit dining with the hoi polloi eating caviar

Why does this have to turn into a debate

They also do a trilogy

because I know more than most people about this topic

With varying degrees of classical influence

The actual classical one is yet to be released and probably won't be

most people are poor because of trying to buy homes, new cars and restaurant food and meat

But the death metal one was

death/doom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qB_-3mfZ-k

if they just lived in apartments, bought used cars off craigslist and ate lentils they would have a shitload of money

this is good music

Museum of Iscariot?

I think you'd like Virgin Black a lot

but in order of importance, home ownership is the #1 biggest waste of money

Probably the albums Sombre Romantic and Requiem - Mezzo Forte the most

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW9_zv3nJJA

"but I'll own it!" no you won't. "But at least it's mine, I can do whatever I want to it!" No you can't, the HOAs, building codes and ordinances have you pinned down tighter than a german's puckered asshole

1. The Fragile Breath

Amorous eyes, crippling word I bring
Grief vents itself more violently
The hour of parting is at hand
Hope, your warmth failed
The famished are here, forsaken
Fleeting, fading, the fragile
Fading, the fragile
It drinks deep into the soul
Drinks deep into the soul
Fleeting, fading, the fragile
It drinks deep into my soul
Drinks deep into my soul
Drink me deep

That slow part is repeated as a motif

The slow lead bit

freedom is not what most people think freedom is

And it's expressed on piano in the outro

I'm not going to debate this it's stupid

you do not know as much as me about any of this

To show the development of the theme in a sense

Minimalized to show the process of grief

What remains after the wind blows away the stubble of autumn

That's on Requiem - Fortissimo, the death metal album

the singer needs to stop sliding his voice around

if you autotune this guy this would be great

But the same motif is on Mezzo Forte however

He's a classically trained tenor afaik

I have a good ear for this

I privately think a bass-baritone would be more appropriate but I think he's a great singer

maybe he is doing it on purpose

likely he is

I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just saying it's pointless to start a battle about everything

like fuck does every internet conversation have to be war

do you or any other people in this chat have any idea how much you could learn from me, and how much it would directly and indirectly benefit your life, if you actually heard me out for a change?

in the last 15 minutes I have told you enough to permanently improve your whole family's financial future

I am so generous with you people

Actually most of the albums seem to concern misery, suffering and its culmination into the dark night of the soul, with glimpses of the light of God shining through the rusted armour of the faith

It's very hopeful music in spite of being crushing

Heavy

one thing I like about the virgin black guy's voice is his vibrato is high frequency

although considering the pace of these songs he could probably use slower vibrato and add to the heaviness of the song, but then it would blend too much with the guitars

but on that basis I think he has a quite agile voice he is itching to show off

Perhaps he sings a bit much toward his strengths

Yeah

When I saw them live as an opener for Opeth (they're much better than Opeth) people were yelling stuff like AYY PLAY SOME METAL YA FUCKEN SOFTCOCK

you know I had a voice teacher who unironically thought vibrato was pitch change?

.

that comes across like riding a bike without a tube

the mechanics are just all wrong

she actually thought vibrato in voice had an interval

yeah, I was blown away

that was pretty much when I stopped ever taking music lessons for anything ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AcDyDaFhCI liking this a lot

yeah he bottoms out his voice in this track, he really has a "bitchy" voice to be singing this kind of music but it works

I feel like an additional classical voice would really improve this, something more dramatic than his, but I can't decide if a baritone or a real dramatic alto would be better

kinda leaning towards alto because that would really remove it from the manlybaconbeard category, but having no women would avoid a lot of pitfalls of its own

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reOLeLX0Q9U through this song there is a real low bass with a german sounding voice, I feel like a guy like that harmonizing with the lead would be good for Virgin Black

incidentally i think the guitarist is a woman

and i think there's a session female vocalist

on the requiem albums

i tend to like more dramatic singers

I have been really ramping up to start producing music again

part of that is a lot of voice training, but the question is what sound I even want

I am leaning towards a more dramatic sound also

@Deleted User 57835c2c I don't care about all that learning shit man. I just want to talk

The thing is we see eye to eye on plenty outside of morals and like racist shit

just want to bump your gums, don't want to get rich too