get everyone to drink the coolaid

any intangible goal suffices for that

Does it not

Not any, but yes, in principle

why not any

it can't just be an intangible goal, it has to be a holistic ideal

I mean that being true explains the existence of secular religions or whatever you want to call them

to really transplant religion

there is no secular religion

there is one "secular" antireligion

no there have been more than a fee

Few

we've been over this

name one

No I'm just going to keep asking you questions

please?

I don't want to repeat another conversation

secularism is mostly humanism, which has its ties to christian ideas of utopia. or so john gray says

just one name

Progress is the contemporary one

its a perversion of christianity @Jim

take christian mercy and rub out god/its meaning from it

presto, humanism

without the consequence

yeah and that's happened plenty of other times

does principa discordia count

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEuYdIdY2w

never

Scrub the non-rationalistic stuff

never happened, except now

Sure ok

Anyway

church of the subgenius

dub techno

Flying Spaghetti Monster

i'll beat you fuckin head in

For as much as you're against PC Satan you love to say we live in an unprecedented age as much as they do. It's trivially true in some respects but it's mostly material

oh right

laveyan satanism

I dont follow @༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻

what is the significance of your statement?

just personal observations

but your observation is trivially true

an "of course" thing

except I see it as great evil

What is with all these shillicon valley types with this "saving the world" horseshit?

I'm sick of reading this on Medium.

Tikkun Olam

i think he is saying your observations are more physical than numinous

saving the world = castration

yeah you stand on the other side

Basically yeah

but there's a lot of similarities

well yes, of course, its an inversion of good

similarities are guaranteed

AGI is going to fuck up a lot of shit

that's not what I mean

it is actually

I can listen to a progressive tell me some loose equivalent

What's between the poles

your whole framework is messed up

No it's perfectly fine

no, you are absolutely in the box of liberalism

right

absorbing it down to stuff like "find the center ground"

"liberalism and conservatism are both fine, except when they are extreme"

it's not about politics, and fuck a conservative

not even about principles guiding political differences

No I'm more interested in underlying presuppositions that actually determine the inversion shit you are on about

more specifically

Both sides of it

you cannot even see it, so how could you

@Mother Their own grandiosity gone wild. The world needs saving from them anyway.

first you need to actually see "inversion"

do you accept that this exists?

if you don't, no point in looking deeper

you're not willing to examine deep enough to see past that

And accuse me of being shallow

you're not a shallow person, but your understanding is shallow

absolutely

at least get to a prozak level, then we can talk

Nah you're in the same rut

No point getting stuck into it again

@Mother more techno?

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/the-people-choosing-to-be-sterilised-in-their-twenties

you guys gander at this crap yet?

shit this girl i know has been on about it

> featuring a white person on the cover

and i use the term "person" loosely...

who cares

let em

yes but

> white

only problem is the NHS pays for it

care

dont let them

yeah i guess is satistically void

this is a deep sickness

avoid the attitude of placidity

"fuck em, they're trash"