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wait your turn
alright then call me when you're done
Females with a positive impact saw the hill as shorter and likewise, those with a negative saw it steeper
Okay ican agree with you their is a substantial difference
But there was something off with the males
aww he didn't say it
Really really off
There was almost no difference
lol we're weird.
Between the positive and the negative
Because males and females are different psychologically and therefore will take different moments in their lives differently
It's really hard from an experimental standpoint to isolate mental processes from biology and sociological phenomenom.
Why do men think different in the way do?
If males are psychologically-speaking "tougher" to keep the same mental stance during both positive and negative impacts
Why are some men terrible at math while women are better?
But females aren't
isn't it insulting to have a male become "female" and attempt to join this group?
Prehaps it's because females are taught to be more in touch withtheir emotions
and I don't see a lack of emotion as a positive or even rational thing
The study was done with people age 16-60
Even Gen Z children
think the same way
They went through their formative years though
But for the past 10 years
Our society has been heavily changing
oof thats an understatement
I live with 4 generations of my family
And I know they don't represent the whole world
But they've lived in many of the largest cities in the US
New York, Miami, ect
And they can attest to the fact that everything has changed EXCEPTIONALLY
Yaeah I agree lol
things have changed dramitically
But even they dislike the idea of men and women changing their genders and acting as if they are part of that biological group
When women support women
It's because they physically and psychologically understand each other through literal biological changes they can all relate to, and common experiences
It's the same thing for men
if you want to go ahead and change the way you work in life
Being a male, but liking to do more "feminine" things
I'm sorry but how does this relate back to the original topic of transgederism?
But to go ahead and "change your gender" in the process
What are we debating about?
wait keep going i see where your going
That's an issue.
Because by changing your gender
You're stating you're part of that group
You know their experiences
You can do what they do
No matter what
It's the same thing with races and ethnicities
that's an interesting way to put it
The difference I would see there is transgeder people do face simmilar discrimination to women
If you look at studies after they transition they face simmilar harrasement as women
Because of men don't know they're transgenders
And there is a level of solidarity between diffrent "opressed groups"
When you get breast implants and a vagina surgery
You are treated like a woman
you have the same experiences, or simmilar experiences to a woman
And cover yourself with makeup, it's no wonder a man will think you're female
can I debate this fag now
Frito can I detour for this dude?
I'll add you as a freind and we can continue later?
He needs to learn to wait
lol fair enough
Here is my final point
I'll wait it's fine
Men and Women are equal in regards to worth. Biologically-speaking they are different, and that will cause them to act differently, experience different things, and ect. The most we should do as a society is focus on the "individual", not whether they are male and female. Because when you attempt to "join a group" like that, it destroys the experiences of those you're attempting to join. No longer is it females being harassed, it's females AND transgender males, and that takes away from the females who had to go through it alone
Well I guess I'll take issue with the idea that you must fit a group perfectly to bit part of the group. The experience of a group as broad as woman varies amongst different races classes and etc. You'd have to deconstruct the meaning of the idea of women and tell me what specifcally about the trans woman experiences disqualifies them from this group.
ESPECIALLY since the man CHOSE to be defined as a "woman"
If I as a Latino tried to relate to the black population and call myself "black", that would be an insult to them
Yes but you are a minority population
Because my experiences have no correlation to what they endure
and your experiences are closer to there's than the average white persons
you can have some degree of solidarity with any woman
But it's not the same
black people stay with black people
because from the moment they were born
men are a minority in the USA
Also we're erecting the categories artificlly in the first place
and as they were raised
they had to think through a certain mindset
and here comes Latino Bandito
Saying he's black
that he understands blacks
Again your acting like the average experience of black man is universal
I'm speaking in US terms
They'll all be different for a number of factors
But there is an average
there is always an average
The majority of the Black Lives Matter walks are from out of the states
All around the US
I had an african freind in high school and he'd always hang around us indian kids becayse he identifed with ys more
Even though they go through different things in different states
they still go to the same event
There is always an average
I mean it's a universal experience
but not all experiences are universal
Averages are though
Yes but now we're defining categories with arbitrary cut offs
and you can talk about averages but trans people are a very small minority
If I had to place a bet on how any random black person in the whole earth would be
even less identify as female
as a woman i mean sorry
I'd be safer to say in poverty and have committed multiple felonies
It would vary greatly on the population you find them in
Through literal statistics
Im america sure
but if you look at african immigrants in america
they are one of the most sucesfull group
there graduate education rate is insane
your creating these categories now.
they are the most successful OF the group
And these cut offs.
OF the black group
It's like 10%hold a phd that's impressive for any demographic in america
theyre the top of the bell curve
Is it right for me though
As a Latino
But your arguemtn is trans people can't idenitfy as women cause they don't have the same set of experiences?
Experiences and they don't think the same way as well
And they are not the same physically either
when you finish discussing this with frito ping me cause i want to bring up a counter point
And no amount of surgery can change that
So when reality hits them
Again and again
lol send me a message slouch
i appreciate this chat ll
They will become mentally unstable
It will hurt them
Again not true
>individual rights arguments with respect to trannies
Most transgenders commit suicide, but people claim it's due to bullying
Most people don't openly attack transgenders
Maybe the religious kooks
There are a lot of things that trans people go through.
But in high schools and colleges?
Idk being told your idntiy is wrong is an issue
have you been to high school?
Kids are the worst
I graduated last year
they'll bully you for anything
you really think they'd go easy on a trans kid>
I think it's been a while since you went
They don't care
Yes they do.
It depends where also
I went to a conservative area
I went to a school with 2,000 kids
and they went so hard on this kid who came out of the closet
I lived in an area full of baptists and rednecks
bullying is a check on social deformities
My school had plenty
Do not care
We can't argue from annedote though
all I know is studies show that transgenders who transition have better mental health than those who don't.
And for my concern, that's the most important issue.
could you link me to that
because that is very interesting
But how many of those transgenders killed themselves because of the realization that they can never fully be the opposite gender in terms of psychology or physiology?
Regardless of bullying
I mean them coming to their own consciousness
And knowing they have not had the same experiences as others as they claim to identify with
why is the suicide rate of people with gender dysphoria who transition so high?
Because when you do that
It destroys the value of what a specific sex has to go through
Well here's the thing.
It's not longer a "woman" issue
It's now a "woman and males who define themselves as 'woman' " issue
You can't prove it's because of a biolgical or social class without chaninging the second varaible
And that muddies up everything
and damn that's hard to do.
the considerations of tranny emotions and troubles is irrelevant when you see their effect on the social stability of society
Why is the sucide rate so high?
For simmilar reasons to that of transgenders who don't transition
Because they realize they are not living the truth of what they are
They have to accept their sex
I haven't read studies on that one
And they can freely choose what they want to do
@Somedudewithaname schizos who have their imaginary friends acknowledged also feel better
if a female wants to ride a motorcycle
should we do that too?
they're a book called transgednerism and the brain i reccomend reading
please tel me why the suicide rates are so high for people with gender dysphoria who transition
If a male wants to go and knit
Frido i;ll agree with you on that
but the issue is society doesn't view these things in that way.
gender roles must be enforced by the state
ANd for some people body dismprphia is the issue.
faggy behavior and crossdressers should be jailed
They shouldn't have to "change their gender"
That shouldn't be a thing period
Does a man "becoming a woman" allow them to knit better?
Alright I'm going to debate this liberal now
Because it sure as hell doesn't give them confidence
you guys been at it for like an hour almost
If transgenders are committing suicide
So so much
Unless changing their "roles" has ANY advantage towards doing what they want to do
It's a waste of time
It's insulting to people
And it can seriously cause issues
And right now
My generational family with me
Can promise you men and women can do as they please
You know ill agree with you that gender roles need be deconstructed
That has changed since they lived
So why go ahead
and if women and men felt like they could do as they please we'd have no issue
@Somedudewithaname Alright let's debate. My position is this: societal cost of accepting trannies destroys the stability in the long term of families and of the nation by way of shifting the acceptable range of ideas on sexuality and gender identity. Therefore trannies should be jailed or sent to a loony bin to be studied for a potential cure to their mental problem.
but some men find they identify as women
There is no reason to identify as woman if not a woman
Really isn't much more to it than that. I don't care about their individual rights, the collective interest of the race/nation is more important.
It doesn't help you at all
It only hurts people
It could be you feel like you idenitfy more with the social identity of a woman