nope

wait your turn

alright then call me when you're done

Females with a positive impact saw the hill as shorter and likewise, those with a negative saw it steeper

Okay ican agree with you their is a substantial difference

>inb4 "insolent"

But there was something off with the males

aww he didn't say it

Really really off

There was almost no difference

do elaborate

lol we're weird.

Between the positive and the negative

Okay

now why?

Because males and females are different psychologically and therefore will take different moments in their lives differently

It's really hard from an experimental standpoint to isolate mental processes from biology and sociological phenomenom.

Why do men think different in the way do?

If males are psychologically-speaking "tougher" to keep the same mental stance during both positive and negative impacts

Why are some men terrible at math while women are better?

But females aren't

isn't it insulting to have a male become "female" and attempt to join this group?

Prehaps it's because females are taught to be more in touch withtheir emotions

and I don't see a lack of emotion as a positive or even rational thing

The study was done with people age 16-60

Even Gen Z children

think the same way

They went through their formative years though

But for the past 10 years

but continue

Our society has been heavily changing

oof thats an understatement

I'd disagree

I live with 4 generations of my family

Jesus

And I know they don't represent the whole world

But they've lived in many of the largest cities in the US

New York, Miami, ect

And they can attest to the fact that everything has changed EXCEPTIONALLY

Yaeah I agree lol

things have changed dramitically

But even they dislike the idea of men and women changing their genders and acting as if they are part of that biological group

When women support women

It's because they physically and psychologically understand each other through literal biological changes they can all relate to, and common experiences

It's the same thing for men

if you want to go ahead and change the way you work in life

Example

Okay wat....

Being a male, but liking to do more "feminine" things

That's fine

I'm sorry but how does this relate back to the original topic of transgederism?

But to go ahead and "change your gender" in the process

What are we debating about?

wait keep going i see where your going

That's an issue.

Because by changing your gender

You're stating you're part of that group

You know their experiences

You can do what they do

No matter what

Hmmm

It's the same thing with races and ethnicities

that's an interesting way to put it

I'm Latino

The difference I would see there is transgeder people do face simmilar discrimination to women

If you look at studies after they transition they face simmilar harrasement as women

Because of men don't know they're transgenders

And there is a level of solidarity between diffrent "opressed groups"

When you get breast implants and a vagina surgery

You are treated like a woman

you have the same experiences, or simmilar experiences to a woman

And cover yourself with makeup, it's no wonder a man will think you're female

can I debate this fag now

Frito can I detour for this dude?

Hold on

I'll add you as a freind and we can continue later?

He needs to learn to wait

lol fair enough

Here is my final point

I'll wait it's fine

okay

Men and Women are equal in regards to worth. Biologically-speaking they are different, and that will cause them to act differently, experience different things, and ect. The most we should do as a society is focus on the "individual", not whether they are male and female. Because when you attempt to "join a group" like that, it destroys the experiences of those you're attempting to join. No longer is it females being harassed, it's females AND transgender males, and that takes away from the females who had to go through it alone

Well I guess I'll take issue with the idea that you must fit a group perfectly to bit part of the group. The experience of a group as broad as woman varies amongst different races classes and etc. You'd have to deconstruct the meaning of the idea of women and tell me what specifcally about the trans woman experiences disqualifies them from this group.

ESPECIALLY since the man CHOSE to be defined as a "woman"

If I as a Latino tried to relate to the black population and call myself "black", that would be an insult to them

Yes but you are a minority population

Because my experiences have no correlation to what they endure

and your experiences are closer to there's than the average white persons

you can have some degree of solidarity with any woman

But it's not the same

black people stay with black people

because from the moment they were born

men are a minority in the USA

Also we're erecting the categories artificlly in the first place

and as they were raised

they had to think through a certain mindset

and here comes Latino Bandito

Saying he's black

that he understands blacks

Again your acting like the average experience of black man is universal

I'm speaking in US terms

They'll all be different for a number of factors

But there is an average

there is always an average

The majority of the Black Lives Matter walks are from out of the states

All around the US

I had an african freind in high school and he'd always hang around us indian kids becayse he identifed with ys more

Even though they go through different things in different states

they still go to the same event

There is always an average

I mean it's a universal experience

but not all experiences are universal

Averages are though

Yes but now we're defining categories with arbitrary cut offs

and you can talk about averages but trans people are a very small minority

If I had to place a bet on how any random black person in the whole earth would be

even less identify as female

as a woman i mean sorry

I'd be safer to say in poverty and have committed multiple felonies

It would vary greatly on the population you find them in

Through literal statistics

Im america sure

but if you look at african immigrants in america

they are one of the most sucesfull group

there graduate education rate is insane

your creating these categories now.

they are the most successful OF the group

And these cut offs.

OF the black group

It's like 10%hold a phd that's impressive for any demographic in america

theyre the top of the bell curve

Is it right for me though

As a Latino

But your arguemtn is trans people can't idenitfy as women cause they don't have the same set of experiences?

Experiences and they don't think the same way as well

And they are not the same physically either

when you finish discussing this with frito ping me cause i want to bring up a counter point

And no amount of surgery can change that

So when reality hits them

Again and again

lol send me a message slouch

i appreciate this chat ll

They will become mentally unstable

It will hurt them

Again not true

Very actually

>individual rights arguments with respect to trannies

wrong approach

Most transgenders commit suicide, but people claim it's due to bullying

Truth is

It's societal.

Most people don't openly attack transgenders

Maybe the religious kooks

There are a lot of things that trans people go through.

But in high schools and colleges?

Please

Idk being told your idntiy is wrong is an issue

have you been to high school?

Yes

Kids are the worst

I graduated last year

they'll bully you for anything

Not really

you really think they'd go easy on a trans kid>

I think it's been a while since you went

?

They don't care

I'm 22

I'm 18

Yes they do.

It depends where also

I went to a conservative area

I went to a school with 2,000 kids

@Somedudewithaname why should they

and they went so hard on this kid who came out of the closet

I lived in an area full of baptists and rednecks

bullying is a check on social deformities

My school had plenty

Kids

Do not care

We can't argue from annedote though

all I know is studies show that transgenders who transition have better mental health than those who don't.

Ok

And for my concern, that's the most important issue.

could you link me to that

because that is very interesting

But how many of those transgenders killed themselves because of the realization that they can never fully be the opposite gender in terms of psychology or physiology?

Regardless of bullying

I mean them coming to their own consciousness

And knowing they have not had the same experiences as others as they claim to identify with

why is the suicide rate of people with gender dysphoria who transition so high?

Because when you do that

answer this

It destroys the value of what a specific sex has to go through

Well here's the thing.

It's not longer a "woman" issue

It's now a "woman and males who define themselves as 'woman' " issue

You can't prove it's because of a biolgical or social class without chaninging the second varaible

And that muddies up everything

and damn that's hard to do.

the considerations of tranny emotions and troubles is irrelevant when you see their effect on the social stability of society

Why is the sucide rate so high?

For simmilar reasons to that of transgenders who don't transition

Because they realize they are not living the truth of what they are

I dpn

They have to accept their sex

I haven't read studies on that one

And they can freely choose what they want to do

@Somedudewithaname schizos who have their imaginary friends acknowledged also feel better

if a female wants to ride a motorcycle

should we do that too?

Go ahead

they're a book called transgednerism and the brain i reccomend reading

please tel me why the suicide rates are so high for people with gender dysphoria who transition

If a male wants to go and knit

Go ahead

Frido i;ll agree with you on that

but the issue is society doesn't view these things in that way.

gender roles must be enforced by the state

ANd for some people body dismprphia is the issue.

faggy behavior and crossdressers should be jailed

They shouldn't have to "change their gender"

That shouldn't be a thing period

Does a man "becoming a woman" allow them to knit better?

Alright I'm going to debate this liberal now

Because it sure as hell doesn't give them confidence

you guys been at it for like an hour almost

If transgenders are committing suicide

So so much

Unless changing their "roles" has ANY advantage towards doing what they want to do

It's a waste of time

It's insulting to people

And it can seriously cause issues

And right now

My generational family with me

Can promise you men and women can do as they please

You know ill agree with you that gender roles need be deconstructed

That has changed since they lived

So why go ahead

and if women and men felt like they could do as they please we'd have no issue

@Somedudewithaname Alright let's debate. My position is this: societal cost of accepting trannies destroys the stability in the long term of families and of the nation by way of shifting the acceptable range of ideas on sexuality and gender identity. Therefore trannies should be jailed or sent to a loony bin to be studied for a potential cure to their mental problem.

but some men find they identify as women

and.

oh go

god

There is no reason to identify as woman if not a woman

Really isn't much more to it than that. I don't care about their individual rights, the collective interest of the race/nation is more important.

It doesn't help you at all

It only hurts people

It could be you feel like you idenitfy more with the social identity of a woman