Occitans, Normans, Basques, Bretons, etc.

Welly your idenity is an arbitrary cut off

the same in Germany

Cause different fench people will have different idenitits

I don't see what the overall unifier even is

Because ethnicity does not determine culture, identity, and religion if said person has assimilated into that society

would you not see identity politics between a Saxon and a Bavarian or a Norman and an Occitan

I'm not sure what the french socalist and the right wingerswould have in common

Culture, race, background, etc.. @Somedudewithaname

BUt dude

Okay im an american fro ma generally liberal area

Likewise

do i share anything in common with some dude from the rural south?

Nope.

But we still both consider ourselves american

that's a pretty destructive attitude

we both have a common idenity

you do share many things in common with some dude from the rural south

@agag me?

You are both American, you are both white presumably, you both may share the same religion, etc..

nope not white

though we may share the same religio

What are you

but our views on it may be different

shared language, shared history, shared political traditions, shared holidays, etc.

indian

the asian kind

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So you’re saying an Italian immigrant to Poland who’s family has been living in Poland for 40 years and he has had grandchildren who follow the catholic faith and speak polish are undeserving of living in Poland and have their children be considered polish ?

Ahh okay, so would you be okay with lndia closing its' borders and denying immigration? @Somedudewithaname

My poltical tradition is very different than his, we share a language but anyone can learn a langauge, and holidays, I mean i guess but it doesn't seem like that big of an issue to me

Nope

I want india to be more open

and hopefully reunify with pakistan

because india is alreasy diverse as fuck

Languages are always able to be learned

we have 6 main lanauge famalies

lt depends on how well integrated they are @Outboarduniform

Do you respect the word of MLK @Mord

most of which have different roots and are unrecognnizable to each other

god damit

Most of his statements are almost infallible

all Americans share the same foundational political tradition, though different geographies and parties will add much to it that'll make them seem completely distinct

indo european 👌

out imma let you and usa handle this

Martin Luther King?

I'm not gonna dog pile this much

Yes

@Mord

What statements do you consider infallible

“I have a dream that one day my 4 little children will not be judged based on the color of their skin but by the content of their character ”

How can you criticize this ?

@Outboarduniform bruh you haven't talked to an ethno nationalist before have you?

l take everything by MLK with a grain of salt because much of his stuff is plagiarized and he was not the ethical savant he claimed to be

Didn't he plagiarize Gandhi lol

MLK was a reverend and he spoke the word of god

are you talking about the Hoover stuff

No he plagarized his seminar thesis

l can criticize it because it's just a dream

take that with a grain of salt considering that the Hoover FBI was very political

lol

but it really doesn't effect his later ideas

And true

hold on a moment l have some screencaps about MLK

Hoover? As in the pres during the great depression

Look MLK's character doesn't matter when talking about his ideas.

NO the fbi director who was the worst person ever

and the president

But can you criticize that statement

@Mord

come on morb stay with us

let's talk about the ideas

Also that’s just college essay plagiarism it describes dude

Martin Luther King was assassinated where I grew up

Nothing to do with his doctrine

thanks blizcon

you’re welcome

lt means that his doctorate is invalid and that many of his ideas were not his own

Okay im sorry no dogpilling

But does it detract from the merit of those ideas?

Or the content themselves?

It really doesn't matter, lets get back to arguing about the statement per se

?

You do realize that integration has had very little if any positive effects on the black community

You said it was just a dream.

Yes it has

I don't think it makes too much difference considering he didn't go into academics

The works cited for plagiarism were literally “the development of Buddhism”

I was honestly expecting you to post the Hoover FBI stuff on MLK

The war on drugs has a negative effect but education rates amongst african communites are much higher now

poverty and crime has also decreased

what's correlation and causation is hard to determine but it hasn't come anywhere near failing

The problem with the black community is that the nuclear family has dissolved within it

>poverty and crime has also decreased

lel

Yea not when ghettoization still exists lol

If the nuclear family was emphasized and subsidized we could work more towards fixing it

now is there a correlation between that and the civil rights movement?

Can you really look at the black community today and say it has improved since the 60's lmao

Yes I can.

Yes

They have equal rights theoretically now.

poverty I'm sure is down

Like what?

What do you want them to improve more?

The divorce rate?

I don't see how such drastically increased economic opportunities couldn't decrease poverty at least a bit

That's gone up everywhere

Incarceration?

War on drugs policy

Mord probably supported Virginia during Virginia vs. Loving

oof no background

Little hard to read there man @agag

n 1940, 60 percent of employed black women worked as domestic servants; today the number is down to 2.2 percent, while 60 percent hold white- collar jobs.

that's better

44 and 1. In 1958, 44 percent of whites said they would move if a black family became their next door neighbor; today the figure is 1 percent.

18 and 86. In 1964, the year the great Civil Rights Act was passed, only 18 percent of whites claimed to have a friend who was black; today 86 percent say they do, while 87 percent of blacks assert they have white friends.

We've gotten better

It's not perfect but it's defenitly better

They have equal rights but their divorce rates have skyrocketed, their dependency on government assistance programs has done the same, they drove out every last white business owner within the communities they lived in, which has crippled their employment and ability to establish businesses and get jobs, all just to sit at the same table as a white man eating eggs for breakfast.

Mord are you defending segregation

When the race riots of the 60's happened, all that did was push whites away farther from their communites.

Yea the white flight

l am an ethnic nationalist, segregation didn't go far enough

it's more than eating at the same table as a white man

“Segregation didn’t go far enough”

it's economic opportunities in general

ideally there wouldn't even be whites only water fountains

there's a reason they passed the CRA using the Commerce Clause and not the 14th Amendment

Like Morb any facts?

@agag they destroyed that by driving out white business owners

THe divore rate is falling everywhere

that's the price of freedom

I think Brown v Board of Education went far enough tbh

live wth it

>the divorce rate is falling

@Mord but you can clearly see that their poverty rate has decreased significantly since desegregation

where

@Hadou Divinity Mercurius Brown v Board of Education was inevitable

I mesnt divorce rate was rising in all populations

divorce rate is going up nationwide

significantly

Divorce rates are like 40+ percent in the US, that is up so much from where it was even 50 years ago

It's not a problem inherent to the african american community

Yeah and that's fine by me

Yes it is

why is that bad?

Because it is a broken home

^

That’s not even a black centered problem

divorce is pretty objectively bad for society

That’s happening everywhere

and it destroys the family unit

lt is higher in black families

Not necesarily

>why is marriages breaking and Childrrn losing parents a bad thing @Mord @Somedudewithaname

Stop being autistic

prehaps divorce is the result of an abusive relationship in which it is preferd

Please

No

I mean the black abortion rate though

@Mord it's not even that much higher among blacks

It's the price of freedom

no it's not

NO fap plz don't start.

"freedom"

asian <:Thonk:362811285869559808>

Why do Hispanics have a lower divorce rate

Hmmmm

lt is still substantial considering how small the black population is compared to whites @agag

Whoring is not freedom

@Mord this is percentage though

Just barley above

We can argue broken homes

not all divorce happens with kids involved

Hispanics have a large focus on the family unit @Outboarduniform

also, whoring is great if you wear a cnodom

And?

Hispanics are Catholic

Would you say ghettos have gotten better

@Mord because they’re Catholics

Religion helps marriages

Catholics be wild coming from one

@Hadou Divinity Mercurius that was happening under segregation too

Maybe it teaches women to stay in abusive relationships or not use birth control properly...

@Somedudewithaname

Don't start what?

It's you blabbering about divorces, children without parents and whoring being good things

NoFap i know your dying to tell me how bad sex is but plz

No retard

I never said children without parents is a good thing.

@Hadou Divinity Mercurius

I said divorce doesn't have to be related to children without parent if we placed values better.

>whoring is great if you wear a condom

No it's not, it statistically makes people less happier @Somedudewithaname

ubanization began with the Great Migration, when blacks moved north from the south

They are less satisfied with their sex life

It's a choice they make

And leads to divorces

let them make it

It doesn't affect you

and ghettoes have almost certainly been made worse by drug policies

Plz stop while we talk about policy

The point l was trying to make earlier is that what blacks *should* have done is congregate themselves in their own communities and say "you know what, we don't need white people". They should have established their own businesses, their own schools, their own everything. Why do they need whites to do it for them. Why couldn't they desire to do it themselves.

how can you do that without resources

Bruh

"muh choice"

If a child does something retarded like crossing a highway, you stop him @Somedudewithaname

Why aren't you doing that then?

But instead, they burned down their own communities and prevented anyone from wanting to establish a business there

If you want an ethnostate why don't you go and form your own community?

If it was that easy.

and has ruined those communities to this day

@Mord hard to create your own schools when you’re stigmatized for trying to and beaten down for the idea of it

you can't really do that anymore

^^^^

@Outboarduniform are you trying to say tthere weren't black only schools

oh that was a response to you @Somedudewithaname

@Noxar I'll deal with you later.

because there absolutely were

"can't"

Must*

Otherwise it will all go down the shiter

Yeah that was the point.

Separate but equal had black schools lol

IT's not a realistic option.

no I mean legally

?

@Mord the schools were run down and extraordinarily shitty

@Somedudewithaname

Lmao

You might "deal with *me*"
But I won't deal with someone who says fucking 30 people a year is great as long as you wear contraception and that divorces are amazing

The education provided was laughable

So putting them in white schools and making those schools shitty was the answer?

Some were more equal than others

You could say

No fap i understand you odn't like sex and think women are whores bu im not focused on you so byeeee

@Mord how does putting black people into white schools make them shitty

@Mord Those schools weren't made shitty.

Why couldn't the black communities find ways to improve their own schools

They we're integrated.

restrictive covenants are unenforceable nowadays, that was a major barrier to integrated communities before @Somedudewithaname

Because they weren't allowed economic mobility.

and it has been shown throwing money at schools does not help with educational quality

Getting a college degree as an african american during segregation was difficult.

@Somedudewithaname

"You don't like sex"

Can you stop being retarded

@Mord how can the black communities improve their own schools without money, resources, or representation

And also, college degree's among african americans are more and more common now.

you didn't need a college degree in 1955 @Somedudewithaname

Where do you think money or education come from?

This isn’t 1955 @Mord

local tax revenue

If you want to open a school or improve your community yeah you kind of did

local tax on what?

again with the servant jobs they had?