yea that's theo nly way the modenr day republicans can really win

similar to hte old school democrats and slavery

without the 3/5s compromise, they would have been sunk early

Hopefully the democrats will admit new states and maybe split old ones to make the system more representative

they have switched parties but same scam for the most part

Yeah

```Capital: Helena
Population: 1,050,493
Surface Area: 380,831 km2
California
Capital: Sacramento
Population: 39,536,653
Surface Area: 423,967 km2 ```

so cali 30% bigger geographically, but 38x bigger population wise

ridiculous

Yeah lol

And you can't talk about it with them because obviously it would change the power dynamic

so they are overtly bad faith actors

Yeah

almost everything they accuse 'democrats' of doing/being they are guilty of, almost down the list

It’s always been true that when conservatives can no longer win democratically, they don’t abandon conservatism, they abandon democracy

yup, that's it

perfect sentence

Lol thanks

But we are reaching the tail end of the current Republican Party

The party totally died in CA in a few years, now VA seems like it’s slipping out of reach for them

yea we are about to get a "New Party System"

this will be #8 i think

Yeah maybe. It will be interesting to see what happens

I expect some mainstream dems to go over

squad takes over democrat party

It depends what the end looks like

And who wins the dem primary frankly

Some democrat will say "I just can't recognize this party anymore"

republicans will give up on abortion maybe

like imagine Romney and Amash split from the party and run against trump

See that party depends because as an OPERATIVE mcconnel was good on getting judges in place

Or someone like Bachmann in 2024

Yes, no doubt

I like the wild card converted democrat

Tulsi as a Republican

Lol

Like, if you look at the collapse of the Republican Party when Roosevelt took he progressives away and formed Bull Moose

Blacks left big time during 30s too IIRC

That wasn’t a foregone conclusion- we could just as easily had the progressive Republican Party win the convention

Yes but this was earlier

Bull Moose i see with the eyes of a conspiracy nut, i must say

I saw it as a ploy to make sure wilson got it

I don’t think so

I mean, I think roosevelt would have been happy to win

I think they needed wilson in to get federal reserve act signed

mandel house, if you ever read his stuff

What, Roosevelt couldn’t do it?

He wasn't going to win, he was there to be a spoiler

Idk, I don’t think there’s any extra information you need to inject into it to make it make sense

Roosevelt versus Taft, Wilson gets in

It was super contentious, Roosevelt and the progressives were pissed at the Taft Republicans

There was a very public and very contentious (extremely difficult to do secret machinations) convention

The ALdrige tariff was another big issue

And Roosevelt said fuck you I’m going home and taking my toys

and alrdige is of course one of the key players in the fed founding

Aldrich

Eh I don’t buy into any of that fed conspiracy crap

Who was pulling the strings then?

Morgan primarily on the topic we are talking about specifically

How?

he was one of the big players in the 4th party system

How did he convince the republicans to back Taft?

OTher way around

that's the point of bull moose

?

teddy and morgan were close

wilson sneaks in

Right but Roosevelt could have just won the convention

Perkins was behind Teddy, Perkins was a morgan guy 100%

I mean I think Roosevelt genuinely preferred Wilson to Taft, but it was in no way a fire gone conclusion that either Taft would win the convention or Roosevelt wouldn’t win the general

So?

Where’s the conspiracy?

that's the play

?

because the public was iffy on the federal reserve act, and what we call progressivism in general, without the machinations

they had tried before

after panic of 07

I don’t think there’s evidence of that

I think Lamont wrote about himself later on

he was one of the architects of the act

Wrote what

i mean the jekyll island story is 'real'

you can visit the musuem there

Warburg was pushing for it at least since panic of 07, it was controversial at the time

This all sounds very wishy washy

I don’t think it was

i can see how but ive read i dunno how many books on the era , long time ago though

WJB was in favor of a central bank for like, 15 years

Yeah but you don’t need any of this to explain what happened

There was a liquidity crisis, central banks were seen as a potential solution to that issue, there were different ideas of how that could work

Fed themselves even list books with titles like The Epic Struggle to Create the Federal Reserve

Then there was an election and the people who won implemented their plan

But here’s the big problem with the conspiracy

This was all very very public

So it really doesn’t make any sense that it was orchestrated in some way

Was the Jekyll island meeting public?

I don’t know what that is

No, it was not public

But what’s your point?

https://www.federalreservehistory.org/essays/jekyll_island_conference