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2019-09-19 19:11:20 UTC

Wrong we are not a perfect distance.

2019-09-19 19:11:25 UTC

We have shifted orbit.

2019-09-19 19:11:44 UTC

Also God != fine tuning

2019-09-19 19:12:08 UTC

I can refute it, since we evolved.

2019-09-19 19:12:15 UTC

We also had a human bottleneck.

2019-09-19 19:12:18 UTC

If we were to have a debate about UFO's in the past. you would literally say its not true or proven when just recently the governemnt and scientific community proves its real.

2019-09-19 19:12:27 UTC

So technically, we were nearly extinct at one point.

2019-09-19 19:12:33 UTC

Wrong.

2019-09-19 19:12:34 UTC

I don't think denying God exist is even bad

2019-09-19 19:12:47 UTC

Why do you deny God?

2019-09-19 19:13:39 UTC

Because I am a naturalist, I deny the existence of a metaphysical being. I think the abundance of philosophical arguments and evidence from science has refuted the existence of such a God in the theistic sense.

2019-09-19 19:13:58 UTC

The latter for a theistic one and the former for any type of metaphysical being.

2019-09-19 19:14:18 UTC

The people who advanced science did it with purpose, they didnt simply use it against their own ability to realise that there even was an higher entity that had to of created everything.

2019-09-19 19:14:40 UTC

You are a half truer

2019-09-19 19:14:42 UTC

Wrong.

2019-09-19 19:14:59 UTC

Majority of philosophers and scientists are atheists.

2019-09-19 19:15:02 UTC

By the way.

2019-09-19 19:15:18 UTC

Appeal to authority anyways.

2019-09-19 19:15:19 UTC

You do understand the universe works via a form of laws of nature.

2019-09-19 19:15:23 UTC

Yes.

2019-09-19 19:15:43 UTC

Those laws didnt magically exist without there being a "God" to place them there

2019-09-19 19:15:50 UTC

Wrong.

2019-09-19 19:16:07 UTC

They were simply constants of the universe..

2019-09-19 19:16:18 UTC

If you destroy all the worlds in the universe. You think that life will still exist?

2019-09-19 19:16:54 UTC

โ€œThereโ€™s a famous example that theists like to give โ€“ or even cosmologists who havenโ€™t thought about it enough โ€“ that the expansion rate of the early universe is tuned to within one part in ten to the 60th. Thatโ€™s the naรฏve estimate, back of the envelope, pencil and paper you would do. But in this case, you can do better. You can go into the equations of general relativity, and there is a correct, rigorous derivation of the probability. And when you ask the same question using the correct equations, you find that the probability is one. All but a set of measure zero of early universe cosmologies have the right expansion rate to live for a long time and allow life to exist.โ€ - Sean Carroll

Debunked again.

2019-09-19 19:17:08 UTC

Sean Carroll is a physicist and a cosmologist by the way.

2019-09-19 19:17:13 UTC

He has a phd.

2019-09-19 19:18:25 UTC

You are debunking Gods existence through an individual that has never reasoned with nor questioned how it wouldnt exist.

2019-09-19 19:18:32 UTC

Wrong.

2019-09-19 19:18:38 UTC

You can literally do math and prove God exists

2019-09-19 19:18:49 UTC

I am simply projecting his refutation to the misinterpretation of fine tuning.

2019-09-19 19:18:53 UTC

Wrong.

2019-09-19 19:19:15 UTC

Please show an argument which use mathematics to prove God exists. Because I just used one to show God doesn't exist.

2019-09-19 19:19:50 UTC

Throttle you are autistic god does exist you stupid fucking idiot

2019-09-19 19:20:06 UTC

@PapaPog Meet your burden of proof.

2019-09-19 19:20:16 UTC

<:yus:538083968881524747>

2019-09-19 19:20:24 UTC

The universe didnt allways exist? What started it is what i am trying to answer to you but you are refuting.

2019-09-19 19:20:28 UTC

The Bible dumbass

2019-09-19 19:20:32 UTC

@PapaPog Wrong.

2019-09-19 19:20:36 UTC

Circular reasoning.

2019-09-19 19:20:40 UTC

The universe didnโ€™t create its self

2019-09-19 19:20:50 UTC

@!GoldenKingship! Nah I said how the universe was created.

2019-09-19 19:21:01 UTC

@PapaPog Why can it not?

2019-09-19 19:21:03 UTC

Whatโ€™s your reason on why heโ€™s not and I want a sentence not a paragraph

2019-09-19 19:21:17 UTC

@PapaPog No, because you are too stupid to be in this channel.

2019-09-19 19:21:17 UTC

Listen we all know that science cannot prove that god exists because he is outside the realm!

2019-09-19 19:21:27 UTC

It would need a trigger and if stuff was the same why would it magically change

2019-09-19 19:21:32 UTC

@!GoldenKingship! I've been telling you this.

2019-09-19 19:21:37 UTC

For the past hour.

2019-09-19 19:21:46 UTC

But we are now debating metaphysics.

2019-09-19 19:21:53 UTC

@PapaPog virtual particles

2019-09-19 19:21:58 UTC

They are without cause.

2019-09-19 19:21:59 UTC

Science can not disprove the existence for the same reason dumbass so get debunked

2019-09-19 19:21:59 UTC

Throttle you just admitted he is outside the realm

2019-09-19 19:22:09 UTC

So why are you using science fool

2019-09-19 19:22:13 UTC

So he cannot exist if he is outside a physical realm.

2019-09-19 19:22:17 UTC

No I'm using philosophy

2019-09-19 19:22:19 UTC

And metaphysics.

2019-09-19 19:22:24 UTC

Not science.

2019-09-19 19:22:24 UTC

So he does exist

2019-09-19 19:22:31 UTC

No. He does not.

2019-09-19 19:22:46 UTC

But a minute ago you said he was outside the realm and real just not in this one

2019-09-19 19:22:50 UTC

Prove he doesnt exist withouit science i gaurantee it will be hard for you.

2019-09-19 19:22:52 UTC

Wrong.

2019-09-19 19:22:58 UTC

You are using a strawman fallacy.

2019-09-19 19:23:00 UTC

Wrong.

2019-09-19 19:23:02 UTC

@!GoldenKingship! I just did.

2019-09-19 19:23:07 UTC

1) Being ontologically prior to a set with the highest cardinality is a great-making property.
2) There does not exist a set with the highest cardinality.
3) Therefore, one cannot be ontologically prior to the set with the greatest cardinality.
4) Therefore, a being cannot be maximally great.

2019-09-19 19:23:09 UTC

You didnโ€™t

2019-09-19 19:23:10 UTC

He is real. Weare inside GOD

2019-09-19 19:23:12 UTC

This does not use science.

2019-09-19 19:23:27 UTC

This is philosophy and maths.

2019-09-19 19:23:29 UTC

The universe is dark because we are in his own image

2019-09-19 19:23:33 UTC

Wrong.

2019-09-19 19:23:39 UTC

The universe is not dark.

2019-09-19 19:23:41 UTC

Wrong

2019-09-19 19:23:44 UTC

We are inside him and you can't escape dumbo.

2019-09-19 19:23:46 UTC

It is simply an empty vaccume.

2019-09-19 19:23:50 UTC

Again wrong.

2019-09-19 19:23:51 UTC

We are the consciousness within

2019-09-19 19:23:55 UTC

So you then concede?

2019-09-19 19:23:55 UTC

Was was shall be

2019-09-19 19:24:03 UTC

You have failed to defend your God and your faith.

2019-09-19 19:24:06 UTC

Wrong

2019-09-19 19:24:06 UTC

GG @PapaPog, you just advanced to level 1!

2019-09-19 19:24:10 UTC

He is right

2019-09-19 19:24:11 UTC

I debunked you using philosophical and religous proofs.

2019-09-19 19:24:14 UTC

In this argument I've clearly refuted youm

2019-09-19 19:24:16 UTC

Nope.

2019-09-19 19:24:17 UTC

Wrong

2019-09-19 19:24:26 UTC

@TheNobody Can I ban these two now?

2019-09-19 19:24:34 UTC

I've exposed them to be trolls.

2019-09-19 19:24:46 UTC

for what

2019-09-19 19:24:46 UTC

Wrong

2019-09-19 19:24:57 UTC

For shitposting and trolling in a serious debate channel.

2019-09-19 19:25:00 UTC

You can scroll up.

2019-09-19 19:25:00 UTC

You spammed wrong at me I shall do back

2019-09-19 19:25:02 UTC

Gonna ban me because i have different views than you. How ironic

2019-09-19 19:25:13 UTC

Well no, it's just that your views are false.

2019-09-19 19:25:27 UTC

I take philosphy class and took religion class during my shool studies. Have you?

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