so the clusterfuck of 100s of "christian" denominations in the US which are basically regional megachurches the likes of Al Sharpton and other career ministers is any better?

at this point churches are splitting to accomodate any beliefs people ask for

theres a church for pornstars

Yes, the doctrine of protestant corporealism is better. It encourages apostasy and constant revivification of the faith.

So the molestation of Christianity into money making vehicles means the religion is inherently corrupt?

Sounds like sins of man

anyone know how to get rid of a feeder fetish?

no, it doesnt mean the religion is wrong, it means religion isnt the be all end all of society

Don't conflate the myriad denominations with the megachurch projects, though

Those are, by far, the exception.

im not convinced the myriads are responsible for any kind of meaningful social cohesion though

megachurch or not

white rural america, highly christian, also has HUGE drug and poverty problems

their culture is dying as well

has less to do with religion and more to do with globalization and modern world

and also policies aimed specifically at stifling them

"flyover country HA" - every dem

theyve been convinced by the media that the american dream should be to live in a big liberal city

You just don't see it because their cohesion is just upstream. They are the source of our core values, which you take as granted. Personal liberty, individual responsibility. The triumph of the diligent good over the screeching evil.

look, you might make parallels between the two, but i grew up with those values having ZERO christian influence

im a first generation immigrant, remember

goddammit i wanna get rid of this shitty ass fetish

And clearly you've taken it upon yourself to adopt our values wholesale

i didnt adopt it, i had it myself

you cant say i adopt it when it was original

ive since sworn an oath of citizenship to the US, yes

so i AGREE

with the values

but they are MINE

y am i ignored

because you joined during a debate @Patriotic Frog

Alright, fair enough, you moved here and just-so-happened to fit in perfectly. That's fine, and possible, but then you disqualify yourself from commenting on our source of cohesion, since you're claiming that yours was by coincidence.

@Patriotic Frog maybe post in serious

I would suggest that maybe you've thrived in it, and had your views bolstered by the ambient American culture.

without christian values, people support abortion

and that's something as simple as murdering a baby being bad or not

the ambient american culture has ACTIVELY SHAT ON MY VIEWS

i lived in CONNECTICUT

lmao

so yes, religion is highly influential on the moral code

ive been surrounded by liberals my whole life

and had liberal media around me

Well, clearly you found us at t_d

only in 2016 onward

before that i had nothing

so you weren't totally severed from true American ideals

and i dont derive my values from an internet forum

I became a conservative in 2015

ive been a conservative since my first thoughts about politics

idk living with a bunch of liberals is considered being severed from American ideals

i became one when i was 5

I was a communist.

then I got a job in management of a shop that had a union

Ed, i respect your love for christianity's potential to reinforce good values, i get it

"Me, me, me. Mine." -Me when I was 3, probably

and it does have that potential

but its not singlehandedly responsible, nor is it singlehandedly the future

it's more than just "potential", it is highly influential

people have to ultimately choose the right things

religion is just one means to self reinforce

they tend to when led by their religious convictions

like, again, murdering babies being bad or not

something that simple

I agree. I think it takes the careful consideration and vanguarding of the population to maintain such a system. And that's exactly what we're doing here.

that careful consideration comes on a community level. if you choose religion, great.

never trust an atheist

whatever your geographic location/municipality is up to as long as its valuable

their morals change with the weather

Absolutely. That's a mistake the left has made, for which we should be thankful. They prefer to screech at the nation from the comfort of their basements, instead of truly trying to change their community.

Some states have fallen to shit through entropy of one type or another, true.

but the internet gives them a voice unfortunately

then we're on the same page. when people on the right complain that there's nothing we can do, i would argue that being good role models, having strong marriages and raising good kids is already a great impact one man can make

we need to interact with the youth more

And helping those in their communities

and (gag) have some of us going into teaching

because liberal losers that take up that occupation are brainwashing our children

that's something we as conservatives do poorly

@Kekistani American I think we're entirely on the same team (of course!) in this story, no question about it

Some guys have had amazing success with mentoring kids without fathers

Teaching them how to be Men

when I started blaming myself for my troubles, I became a conservative

im 23 and married instead of fucking around. 0 debt. have mildly redpilled people who see me go about my business on occasion

and am ready to debate any topic

I also went from 30k$ salary to 100k

I'm in law school, myself. Not exactly 0 debt 😂

I think that's from the "conservative mindset"

But that's awesome, man.

nice! which school/state if you dont mind me asking?

im UF law

Yeah @Cringing diligence and honesty will get you far

if you said it before i apologize for forgetting

UVA Law

I dropped out of college tbh

virginia.... good luck

Haha, thanks man, doing my best

We've got interviews for the summer all next week

I moved across the country to elope with my sweetie against her parents' wishes 😛

now we live across the street from them lol

i greatly appreciate these discussions the most btw

i wish it was as simple to engage leftists