No person can believe in Hell and actually want to go there

You can only suffer in so many ways

There is also the question of why does hell do gods bidding when nearly 100% of things there dont even agree with god?

The Devil got thrown out of heaven for disagreeing and then just suddenly agrees and serves as a punishment for all others just because?

Hell is the absence of God

Its always sounded like a smear campaign

Earth is also the absence of god

Thus if God embodies everything good, then Hell is the opposite

If all good comes from God, then Hell must lack any good

If god embodies everything good then all else is bad and thus goes to hell then

That's why Catholics believe in purgatory. Because nothing impure can enter God's presence.

By that reasoning then no one has ever gone to heaven...

No, by that reasoning no one deserves heaven

You said nothing impure can enter gods presence and that god embodies all good.

That would mean only god can enter gods presence

Then whoever enters God's presence must be made pure

But no one impure can enter gods presence

They wouldnt get the chance

So, they have to be purified

Then why does purgatory exist ifthey can simply be purified

What does the word purgatory mean?

And it still doesnt explain how hell is evil and purgatory isnt if both lack god

And keep in mind it's not necessary for belief in Christianity because Protestants don't believe in it

You define it you brought it up

I didn't invent the word

What's an observatory? A place where you observe. What's purgatory? A place of purging

You dont have to invent it to define it

Purgatory is uniquely Catholic. I suppose the main difference a between hel l and pugatory would be you have hope in purgatory.

I thought everyone could be saved?

Everyone can but not everyone will choose to be saved.

Orthodox, Anglican, and Methodist have something kinda similar

purgatory is a place for spiritual cleansing

Jews too

If I remember correctly the Jewish faith doesn't believe you can get to heaven.

How can they cleanse if the absence of god is an aspect of evil

It contradicts hell

i may be wrong

but jews believe in Sheol

which is more of like just an Underworld

and eventually

And it still doesnt explain why all those banished to hell suffer

the dead will physically resurrect in the physical world

Don't ask me. I don't believe in purgatory largly because of your argument. There is nothings can do to atone which is why God sent Jesus to die for our sins.

i don't believe in purgatory either

If all of thoses there were made by god and therefore must have some shred of god as a result

also it depends on what Christian stance of hell you take, because hell does not behave the same universally across denominations

I also thought Jesus died only for the sins of those who came before

Catholic Hell, we are forced to watch Peter Popoff 24/7 and there is no alcohol

lol

There is always alcohol

They will ferment their own flesh if needed

In yalls Hell you have to watch Mother Angelica

Idk I used to believe it but the more you think the more sense it doesnt make

No Jesus died for the sins of all mankind. Also hell probably isn't as depicted in populated culture. It is unlikely a place dedicated to torturing you. In Revelation it is called a lake of fire where you suffer second death. You likely cease to be.

there are some denominations that take that notion further

and say after Final Judgment your soul is annihilated

if you're bad, that is

Jehovah's witnesses are like that

Oblivion while worrying is basically what atheists believe anyways...

Jehovas witness I've spoken to don't believe in hell.

Yeah, they believe in annihilation

Granted that the devil is still in hell kinda discredits its oblivion

They deleted worm dieth not/fire not quenched

That and the legions of demons

JWs believe Satan and the demons are on earth

Well there are Democrats so its hard to fight that

To me the only way that hell makes sense is that you join the demons to eventually overthrow heaven

Which doesnt make sense from gods perspective

But if any of that is even real then you can't overthrow God anyway

I would disagree

The very concept of God requires that he has infinite power

The very concept of the devil discredits god in that way

God would have seen the rebellion coming and preempted it

Free will

Humans not angels

Angels too

humans cannot understand the paradoxical concept of omnipotence

if you think you can, you're wrong

flat out

it is simply a concept too transcendental for humans, no matter how intelligent, to understand

because we are limited by our very subjective view of the universe

Except that if god was omnipotent he could make us understand

no matter how much we learn about the universe and how much brainpower we accumulate, we still will never be able to understand the concept of infinity and God's power

just because He can doesn't mean He will

Despite everything we know now there is still infinitely more that we don't know

Then you cant use words like we will never understand

Because only god would know that

yes, only God does know that

The Bible gives God human-like, anthropomorphic characteristics, because that is simply how we understand His actions

that is how we make sense of Him

such as "God is angry"

"God's hand"

etc

Socrates used words like that and you invoked him just a little while ago. "I know that I know nothing"

but that is only because we cannot contain what is infinite

He said it because it is true

There's even things right here in our own backyard that we don't understand and never can.

Yes it's absolutely true. I know that I know nothing

You dont need god to know that you dont know everything

Or that you cant know everything