It disnt take off untill like 2000s

When all that moe and kawaii bullshit infected it

anime has been a big thing in Japan for a long while, long before 2000s--unless you are referring to 2000s as when it really boomed in the west, in which case carry on I can't comment on that

However, what prevented it from going down the same route as furries or DND or other types of “nerd culture” was the fact it didn’t receive as much early criticism here in the West, which probably had to do largely with the dubs basically altering the original material heavily for Western audiences and the fact most of the content that became widely popular in the West were relatively benign.

It wasnt that big in japan until recently either

no, that's not correct

In the 2000s companies started using anime to market

That didnt happen before

yea but it was still big

look at Evangelion, for example, it was and *is* huge in Japan, and that is before 2000

But there was a burst in japan to go along with the one in the west

Not in the West, no. It became extremely big starting in the late 1980’s.

It was likely the internet that helped

yes, it got a boost, but it was still sizable

before said boost

Pre-1989?

No, it was very small.

Most media of the 1980’s was dominated by American cartoon shows such as Thundercats or He-Man.

When Furry get their media out and its not degenerate they might not get made fun of

idk about that, Ehzek, Japanese people even now aren't as keen on the Internet and personal computers as the west, I don't think the internet is a (big) reason for Japan's increase in interest in anime

Maybe

But there werent too many large anime prior to 2000

Good thing I have Ehzek blocked.

yea but that is also because anime got a late start

Like there are more out this year than almost everything before 2000

it is exponentially increasing yes

That late start was because it was quite niche.

Then when the big 3 took off it exploded everywhere hard

no the late start is because it took until friggin' WW2-times imperial Japan to start making anime

It wasn’t until Sailor Moon came out and you had the 4-Kids dubs of animes that it became ridiculously popular.

Naruto Bleach and One Piece made anime what it is now

As in the West.

DbZ Eva and Gundam laid the ground work

and then it took until after the japs got rekt by America to start making "modern" anime

Japanese anime’s beginning is less relevant than it’s spread in the West.

not really

it's not irrelevant, at least

For this conversation, Inmean.

not when you are talking about

Anime dub companies struggle hard

the early, beginnings of the two groups

Funimation is just barely doing well now

Furries began in the 1970’s.

And they were a branch-off of DND stuff.

He is basically they are both nerd fandoms and he is upset furries are looked down on

Despite furries doing nothing to ever further a positive image

also a reason that anime is large and furry...dom(?) isn't is because furries are a small offshoot, an inherently niche group

anime had an entire *country* to back it up

^^^

and a productive country at that

Anime is a countries culture Furry is a degenerate sexual preference

what with their crazy work-centricness

But isn’t that the origin of most fandoms? A small odd-shoot of one genre that eventually takes off and grows?

Anime isnt a fandom

Furries got it bad mainly because the media conflated it with “beastiality.”

Its an entire countries animated media

as Ehzek just said, anime is not a fandom

anime is an entire country's form of entertainment, it is an extension of Japan's culture

furries are just a weird group of people who like anthros

Its like the difference between NFL and Fantasy Football

which is something that could never be mainstream, or larger than it is

NFL has fans

FF is a fandom

Anime is a fandom as well because they are a weird group of people obsessing over another country’s animation.

in the west maybe, but the west isn't important to Japan and anime

as I went over already

You can be an anime fan and not in a fandom

if an anime bombs in Japan, even if it is a huge hit in the west, companies don't care and will stop

You cant be a furry fan and not in the furry fandom

But it is important when considering the fact that weeaboos are not from Japan and are from other countries.

That is the key difference

Without furry fandom there are no furry at all

yea but weaboos / western fans aren't all anime fans, a majority are actually Japanese

Or european or russian etc

No, that would not make sense.

how do

so*

A weeaboo is a term for someone from the west who is obsessed with anime.

You cannot be Japanese and a weeaboo.

Just like you cannot be British and a teeaboo or Korean and be a koreaboo.

no, weaboos are people who obsess over anime *to the point they hold Japan on a pedestal*

but anyway

I never said Japanese fans are weaboos

I said weaboos and western fans are not all anime fans

Japanese people are the majority of anime fans

But all weeaboos are into anime.

Weebs are hardly a fandom

Get that shit out of here

...y-yea? just like all furries are into furry stuff

Weebs are superfans

idk what your point is lmao

Weeb might as well be a mental illness

that's like saying "Japanese people are from Japan"

yea cool you stated a fact, congrats?

If weebs are what you are talking about you just lose

My point is that weeaboos are a fandom.

Weebs arent even an anime fandom

yea and they are a minority of a minority of fans

Anime is not a fandom

They are japan fans