which meant that more children were being born (becaues medicine) and people were living longer

which counteracted some of the pop loss from ww2 and famines

but not nearly enough to facilitate +80 Million people in 20 years, thats just absurd

+40 Million at the absolute most is the most believable

Our estimate is 300k

death from Gulag + executions.

300k is a lot

Estimates I've seen is about 1-2 million, but thats just because the Soviet Union is pretty damn big place.

And is of a shameful legasy

besides, there a lot of kulaks to get rid of

honnestly, the kulaks deserved it, but I don't like the fact that Stalin sent anarchists to the gulags too

besides that act of Left Secretarianism, Stalin was a pretty cool noodle

There were not many anarchists. Anarchists were kept in regular prisons separately from everybody else. Conditions for them were better than conditions of soldiers on the WW2 front.

nonetheless, still sent to prisons.

and its kinda hard to justify prisons

(except for kulaks of course)

They almost killed Lenin. Made him sick and useless. Not bolsheviks started it.

this is a new one

never heard about this

But wasn't Lenin a-okay with the Anarchists?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanny_Kaplan

It was mainly Trotsky and Stalin that didn't like Anarchists

just gave it a bit of a read

it doesn't mention her being an anarchist here

but for the sake of arguement, lets say she is

it still wasn't Anarchism in general that attacked Lenin, or even a group, just one Radical

No, Lenin was against anarchism on the political level. But not against them being free as long as they do not fight against the Party. They did fight.

Obviously he didn’t AGREE with anarchism, I was just saying that Lenin could with with them while Trot and Stalin couldn’t

Also my computer just had a heart attack, I’m using my phone

And if she alone made Lenin sick and useless, then how did Lenin last four years after this, AND effectively lead the Soviet Union?

Party of Fanny been a group of a lot of different people. Syndicalists, agrarians, socialists. They leaned to the anarchism.

Because the assassination was in 1918, right in the middle of the civil war

Of course it is not a direct responsibility of anarchists you are right.

But either way, I understand your point

Besides, bickering over whether it was anarchists or communists that started all the violence is rubbish

It’s what the capitalist class would want us to do

Have to go brother. My wife needs attention. See you around.

But thanks for the history, Comrade.

You too.

@Firefly#9983 you can keep talking

just ask her boyfriend to keep her company while you're on discord

owo

Wait

hecc

@☭Lil Commie☭ The hell is that?

@Firefly I swear to god, soviet politics were more chaotic than in a barbarian kingdom after the roman empire fell.

Everybody is trying to gain power somehow, and they do whatever they can to gain that power.

I understand communists and why they choose to be

economy is a deep artifical matrix

but communism has not proven to be better

i mean Russia went without a famine from Stalin until the flag was raised for the last time\

Yugoslavia was great until TIto died

In my opinion, Communism is only as effective as the guy in charge. You get somebody like Lenin, Stalin, or Mao in power things are pretty cool. Get a cuck like Gorbachev and everything sucks and we have capitalism again

I kinda disagree that Stalin and Mao were cool guys. I admire their achievements, but I hate their authoritarianism.

Stalin can't be that bad if more than 60% of russians right now still like him

>stalin and mao

>pretty cool

alright,ignore how they killed the most humans in history

I agree @Deleted User that they had some pretty bad authoritarianism, as an Anarchist I see that as pretty bad. But I think their achievenments were pretty cool, not necessarily themselves.

also @Shwiani, Stalin mainly killed Kulaks (which is good) and some anarchists (which is bad),but most humans in history? far from it. The statistic that says "Communism Killed 100 Million people" is an exaggeration from the Black Book of Communism, which concluded it was 94 million. The source itself was exaggerated too. In fact, the publishers of the Black Book of Communism went back and said that they greatly exagerrated their sources to drive up the numbers! For instance, they considered anybody arrested to be "a death under communism". Furthermore, the population of Russia actually INCREASED during stalin's reign from 1922-1952, from 120 million to 140 million. If 20 million were supposedly "killed under communism", then wouldn't that population increase in fact be a DECREASE? And on the topic of famines, the industrialization policies under Stalin and Mao actually ENDED famines in their respective countries-- famines which plagued the nations for hundreds of years.

So to say that "they killed the most humans in history" is a capitalist lie

Now do I agree with Stalin and Mao?

No, I think industrialization and re-militarization of thier nations could esaily be achieved under Anarchism, without resorting to Totalitarianism.

But that doesn't mean I should whine and say they were big meanies that killed a hundred quadrillion people

kulaks were assholes, but that doesn't justify killing them

eh, i dont mind that stalin gulaged the filthy grain horders

and the nazis deserved what they got in ww2

everything else however, stalin wasn't justified in doing

yeah

what do you think about "holodomor"? Genocide or simply bad weather conditions and incompetency?

anarchism

I think that holodomor was a combination of bad weather conditions and bueacratic incompetency.

For instance, the soviet regime sold a lot of their grain mostly to buy machine parts for industrialization, which eventually got the food situation under control but for the time being only increased the levels of starvation.

yeah

I also don't think it could've been a genocide, because it mostly effected peasants. There is no way in hell that I could believe that Joseph Stalin would lead a genocide to KILL PEASANTS.

The entire communist ideology is based around PROTECTING the peasants, and Stalin was and alwasy has been a die-hard communist

hell, he read up on communism very extently in his university days

yeah

and in an interview one of his bodygaurds said that he went out of his way to give people waiting for their late bus one day rides to their location

he's given plenty of lectures at universities too

he drove them himself

that too

so I don't agree with the very liberal view of history that says "Stalin was a big meanie that just wanted power and corrupted the soviet union with genocides and bad stuff"

also I like your pfp. BREAK THE CHAINS

sure he had some imperialistic aspects to him, and he had some questionable choices at times

but he's still my comreade

thanks bro

direct rule from london

cant use caps apparently

huh

it let me use caps

thats because half your sentence was lowercase, the entirety of my sentence was uppercase

ah

so "direct rule FROM LONDON" works

but not "DIRECT RULE FROM LONDON" I'm afraid

feelsbadman

so what are you @Deleted User? Anarchist? Libertarian Socialist?

democratic socialist

ah

but don't get me confused with a pussy social democrat

of course

i should probably just say luxembourgist

big difference between George Orwell and Berni Sanders

Luxembourgism huh? not bad

yeah

too bad she got killed by Bernie Sanders smh

liberals killed rosa luxembourg

social democrats killed rosa luxembourg

then again, not a huge difference between the two

still not really sure how I feel about the USSR and stalin. on one hand, he industrialized a backwards feudal nation, and turned it into a superpower. but on the other hand, he had the gulags and needlessly killed people and "counter revolutionarys"

yeah, Stalin is a pretty contraversial guy

I still accept him as my comrade for the sake of left unity, but I disagree with his uneseccary killing

yeah

talking about stalin makes me want to play hoi4

lmao @Shwiani the only thing we've done so far on that is "Famines happen all the time!"

other than that, this isn't a tankie thread

@Builderelf What's your view on commie furfags?

lol

@Krieg#0336 I love how the slav look still persists in you guys.

thanks

Slavs are tough as nails

good optics lol

if hitler was a liberal

can i like hitler

he was keynesian so sure

like him all you want

your profile pic is augosto pinochet,so like why not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGT2RwjG0eM

@☭Lil Commie☭ No fucking way.

HA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT733q1aoG8

Anti imperialist?

What the fuck

Are these niggas autistic

The Soviet Union was anything but imperialist

imperialism: a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

I'm pretty sure they were imperialist.

Have you ever heard of the Winter War, or the takeover of Poland?

Nothing wrong with imperialism tbh.

The only good communist is a dead comminust

The only good communist is the dead communist.

The only good communist is the dead communist.

The only good communist is the dead communist.

The only good communist is the dead communist.

Did you know that Pinochet is giving away free Helicopter Rides?

Did you know that Pinochet is giving away free Helicopter Rides?

Did you know that Pinochet is giving away free Helicopter Rides?

The only good communist is the dead communist.

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Go away troll.

This place is not for trolling.

Nothing says anti-imperialism like invading finland for littearlly no reason

but hey, besides that the soviet union was pretty lit

oh yeah, the imprisoning of anarchist comrades wasn't good either

but hey, you win some you loose some

Finland isn't white.

true

I agree @Krieg#0336

Communism was a response from workers to the abuse of them in the industrial age

All of socialism was

@Builderelf#9336 Marxism-Leninism is against feudal relationship and agrarian way of life so the main goal in a country with peasantry is to convert peasantry into proletariat which is what was made. In a sense you want to get rid of peasant class as fast as possible. 😋

Heil hitler

seems not very "lefty" pol in here

Yeah, some right wing memers have assaulted the front lines and have since made conquest to the once lefty pol server, but the worker never rests, and shall seize this lost territory

99,97% of ya'll ain't even workers

*Citation Needed

also, i work, so lel

but are you also a worker?

.....yes, I am.

i work... as a worker... therfore, I'm a worker.

@Builderelf >larping this much

k

hey guys is this the epic gaymer server

i guess not bye fuckers

but it is

hell nah

this is a lefty server

This ain't that at all.

he was obviously memeing

Heh

Hello fellow leftists

How goes it on this day

Wanna go hit people with bats and demand free money?

I sure do

bats?

thats some weak shit

if you ain't throwing molotov cocktails at police cars I ain't talking to you 😤

Oh shit I've been discovered

Welp

Back to controlling the media like we jews all do

nice

Oy vey

AY

Why u got that person from kaiserreich @Builderelf

Lmao

itsa good piece of art my dude

i put it on an anarchist flag

its a good profile pic

what's kaiserreich my dude

It’s a hearts of iron 4 mod

Where Germany won ww1

And Britain became syndicalist along with France (and America if you let it)

Yaaaaaa

Best mod

Tbh

@kriegsmariner VA so how would the economy function under Strasserism?

Unironically pretty similar to titoism if you're familiar

De-urbanization agrarian based economy

Absolute meritocracy

Usufruct ownership of capital is split in half between blue collar and white collar

Labor dollar

Autarky

Guilds similar to de Leon

Hi! I was wondering if this is somewhere I can find some people who are willing to have a civilized discussion with each other?

About what?

General politics and things

For the most part yes until the autistic Austrians show up

! the word autistic has **NOT** been permitted, you go of to gulag

fuck you capitalism ftw

Oh ok

hello

Hello.

hello

Hello gamers

where is NAZBOL gange

henlo internationales

Inside my womb

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You'r triple gay

Do you like obunga?