How are those embodied in a country? Through the state...

Let me clear this up. My views are as follows, I am a social democrat as a general rule, however, unlike many leftists, I believe that national identity is intristically important, and that national interests have value in serving the general populus, when the don't conflict with the democratic interests of the people. Terms like nationalist and patriot are inherently obscurant, my views can only be described as what I've stated in this paragraph. If you disagree with me views, fine, but I won't debate something as meaningless as the terms stated as these were just a convenient way of stating the above. If you were unsure before you shouldn't be now. If you still think I'm a nazi I'd LOVE to hear it.

*my views

Thats not being a leftist

I think it has to do how the word nationalism is handled in my native language

Social democrats

Are liberals

leftist is a relative term

if you think social democracy isn't remotely left wing then you are marginally insane

Social democrats are actual peronists.

honestly seek help if you think that. You think an actual nazi would think that bernie sanders is a fucking rightist? Fuck off you idiot

Leftist is relative within systems only, and

The systems as a whoke

actually, I think left and right are stupid terms

Are known as liberal

He obviously said he wasnt american

call them what they are, but not that

how are anarchists and tankies in the same category

bloody stupid

Lsft and right refers to their positions in general on an axis

that doesn't exist

Not within a given political system relative to one another

And it does

Hence every test you've ever taken

Its just a means of organizing things

except if you use left and right only in the sense of economic freedom

Which you know they dont

if you think I'm not left wing, cool, but to many other people I would be seen as a left winger. You only see me as being right (I assume) because I do not believe as heavily in the 'left wing cause' as you do. Fine, but at least have the common sense to understand that your view of my views are subjective and are not worth arguing for that reason.

So its out of the question

You're left wing relative to your given political circumstance

So unless you live in North Korea

You're a liberal.

what's my political circumstance?

As liberal democracies are the primary method of organization on earth

And you have internet

So unless I'm living in dictatorial squalor I'm a liberal, cool

And speak english

And no

I mean unless you live in a system that isnt in liberal or democratic

Which most are

then I'm right wing?

You're a liberal

I.e. basically center, given this convo

But uh

Legit just look at a graph

Where "republicans" and "democrats" fall

Relative to literally anything else

You do realize there are genuine traditionalist reactionary forces that would seek to destroy every part of the "liberal" society I/we live in.

Yes?

and replace it with someting much worse than liberalism

And they are obviously right of liberals

They arent liberals lol

so I'm still a nazi?

to you

?

No, we already decided we were using terms wrong, or atleast in a manner that isnt consistent.

Its just you're not a leftist, outside of any liberal democracy.

okay good, I don't mind if I'm liberal not leftist, my views are unchanged

Yes, but you see the confusion, you said im a nationalist socialist "democrat"

Or a "nationalist social democrat"

Either way neither make sense right off the bat unless a context is clarified

yeah it's hard to clarify context in three words

Which is why you probably dont want 3 words

People who have lists of shit to qualify what they think they are, are redundant or dont know what they're talking about

if I need to quickly explain my views I'll tend to do something like that

Yea, just, you're a Social Democrat lol

You're a bernie bro

Lol

Which is still liberal, and capitalist, so you're free to take more of a national stance without calling yourself a nationalist.

Sure, I was making the distinction between what I believed on nationhood vs the anti-nationhood beliefs common in much leftist discourse. This is an important point to note as I was clearly dealing with /pol/ with whom this is an important topic

as there is democratic socialism, you can very well be a socialist democrat, and a nationalist on top of that

Yea well if you're a aocial democrat your belief in a state isnt in question lol

So not necessary

oy i woke up did the commies came?

not social democrat

theres a commie here

socialIST democrat

Ive been here

And

Was responding to other dude

Just slow

With one hand

I think socialists tend to believe in hard revolution, that any capitalist state regardless of left wing political sympathy is just in the way of actual socialism

@dopeblizz why should there be less food in socialism

famine boiii

why does socialism cause famines?

Nope not all socialists believe in hard revolution, sadly enough.

But also

I already linked in the chat

The reality of environments and the third world/global south under capitalism

News flash,

There are famines...

Let me do it again

scarcing goods is shit and @rn idk go ask stalin why he left those ukrainians without food

Xd

I can't give you an answer on that sadly

now i'm goin' to bed cya around