fullscale automation of literally everything

no one has to work

or do anything, really

@Deleted User nothing is promised.

It is all at our discretion.

wouldn't the effect of communism have terrible effects on the human psyche

Yes.

It would remove the burden of work from mans soul.

Supposedly this frees the worker

that's what i'm getting at

@Firefly what do you say about it?

See you're arriving st the fundamental Marxian mistake.

That work is misery.

Lazy lazy niggers.

@Deleted User do you understand that communism is not a promise?

It's a credit scam

more like a ponzi scheme

Leverage all your assets for revolution!!!

GIVE ALL TO THE PARTY

I do not promise anybody anything. And I'm Marxist-Leninist.

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well, wouldn't the ideal communist society embrace widespread automation?

>I'm a Marxist Leninist

at least mao had great memes

🇨🇳

Advertisers love commies.

itt we post esoteric chinese memes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i0E7Ayi260

Lmfao

https://youtu.be/5iT3jxiWeXE

china did revolution 100x better

>han immigrants will reclaim the entirety of mongolia and russian manchuria in your lifetime

😂 👌🏿

https://youtu.be/kljXnuQnZLY

hello

@Deleted User When socialism progresses to a point where economic emancipation of the proletariat is reached, then the state will fall out of use and become an antiquated structure. Communism is the result of sufficient social advancement, mankind breaking into a higher mode of being no longer reliant on state directions.

@rockcop#6185 Welcome, comrade.

i'm just trying to get the full picture

isnt there another discord server like this or did that one get deleted/

the question that i keep wondering is: once communism has taken effect, how different would the children of the generation who established it actually be?

purely hypothetical

Which part bothers you? What do you anticipate?

it doesn't bother me

their children would grow up without agency or work ethics, it seems to me that if communism ever truly was, hypothetically, established, that it wouldn't last longer than a single generation due to the loss of value and ideas

it seems like it would serve a single generation

That is the role of socialism. To guide this process.

To avoid the things you just mentioned.

and how can that be maintained when there is no state to enforce it?

whether or not what a parent instructs their sons and daughters, there is no guarantee they can absorb their message simply by being told or instructed or... however the idea would even continue to be propagated.

Teach a child to swim before you throw him in the deep end.

but there is no water for him to swim in

the idea is there, but labor is gone, effectively

The state, if doing its function, dissolves over time because it losses relevance. I do not see how it would disappear over night.

the assumption is that it's already dissolved

remember, this is only a hypothetical scenario

Yes, I am assuming to what I have read about Marxism.

It may be true that humanity is not ready to lose its training wheels of socialism.

it's an interesting subject to think about

the transfer of values seems incredibly important, especially in any society that could be called "utopia"

Social conditions shape values, not the other way around. Socialism must cultivate correct social conditions.

well i didn't say otherwise

but i can see how the reverse is easily true

if someone thinks eating meat is bad they'll probably avoid doing so themselves and might even just tell others to do similar

That depends if you are an idealist or materialist.

i think they shape eachother

Historical conditions determine values, I think. Not magically created from the mind or somewhere else.

don't know enough english to even begin talking about something like that

the human mind anyways

i do think ideas can appear randomly, personally

there's so much wild stuff in this world, but i don't have any idea how to even begin arguing that

It is not a question of mind, but what causes it.

That knowledge is objective and knowable.

there is spontaneous thought though

Where does that come from?

God?

just the mind itself

or maybe god, if you believe

The mind creates thoughts from nothing?

obviously not all thought, however, i believe it is true that simple thoughts and ideas can appear quite literally out of the blue

like dreams and daydreaming

But there is nothing supernatural about daydreams.

rate me fam

well, that's not entirely true OR false, actually (or maybe it is, but we can't verify it (yet?))

the science of understanding dreams and the like is pretty incomplete

Science is never complete.

this was a nice discussion but i have to leave for work now

cya

its a shame others dont join in too

Be careful what you wish for.

lol

true

@Deleted User daydream is your imagination.

Material thought.

It is induced and carried by matter.

The consciousnesses swims in unconscious and guards are off.

So the perception of something external is a perception of oneself. But the self is too disconnected from its parts, shizoid.

Schizophrenia is very similar to religion.

But religion is treatable.