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Lel @Tired Idealist

@Firefly Communism requires a dictator, a truly classless society needs it. Brutal regimes have been implemented in every country that it has been tried, and they never got beyond a totalitarian dictatorship.

*Transition* to communism requires a dictatorship or similar authority. This is called socialism - the dictatorship of the proletariat. Communism is only able to happen *after* socialism.

In case you misunderstand the difference.

Exactly what I'm saying, and it's impossible for the society in question to advance to communism while being classless.

Why? I would have thought it was the opposite. Classlessness being a prerequisite for communism.

Not at all. A dictatorship is made in the socialism stage, and then never advances.

That's possible. But from the communist's point of view, if communism ever had a chance, it would have to come out from socialism, not before.

At least that's the Leninist position.

Understood. But left to their own devices, classes naturally form. That's how humanity began civilization. It's natural, is it not?

Yes, but human nature changes over time. Specifically, Marx and Engels suggest, it changes according to a historical pattern, called historical materialism. Which says that material differences in society are the catalyst for change, and revolutions between classes. While such tensions exist, human nature will have to adapt to it, in order to survive. Accordingly, it is predicted, that humans must learn to overcome material conflict and class tensions, and the only way to do that is through evolving past class pressures and differences.

Why not just be in conflict forever, you might ask? The second component to predicting the dissolving of class is another theory called dialectical materialism, which states that contradictions, specific opposing forces, cannot continue forever. The universe is in constant motion and change, and forms also change over time, things evolve. Since not even class is eternal, and humans have existed long before civilisation, it stands to reason that humans will eventually outgrow class, one way or another.

Predicting this future, it is somewhat an inevitable development, even if the timeline is not exactly known. Communists seek to align their own subject thoughts with this material analyst, because they predict it will happen anyway, and that in doing so can help ease humanity's transition into a future classless society.

This is probably the last time I'm ever going to explain something like this here because I am sick of talking about it. But if that was clear enough then you're welcome.

any chicks here

@Deleted User plenty

ew

commie

any actual chick here

@Magically Delicious Dude, I wish that was me. I need one of those hats.

ok

i am looking forb a gf

On the internet?

That's a good idea.

ya

This is exactly the place.

@Deleted User While human nature may change at a more advanced level in accordance to their society, the basic human impulses will seek to it that the classless system will be short-lived. Communism works for ants, not people who have skills, trades, and knowledge. You will never be able to stifle or remove entirely greed, jealousy, sadness, fury, etc until we have a mindset of robots. (Which, will not be happening anytime soon)

fire fly

u a chick?

How did you call me?

Disgusting.

nothing i asked u

u dumb siht

^10/10

Exactly.

@Deleted User Take from it what you will. You might think that 'basic human impulse' is stronger than any future evolution to modify it, but I am not sure on what basis you can make such a broad claim. Humans can improve themselves, they are rational creatures. But I have no investment in convincing you anything. Just stating what Communists broadly assert, and the basis of their ideas. It's a favour. But I am running out of favours. So there you go.

Show me something I haven't seen.

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what the hell is this

@Deleted User honoring fallen comrades in USA.

Oh no I didnt mean the pic

My bad

Tell me some of your beliefs if you dont mind

I have ever only heard on side of the story

Just scroll up. Somebody summarized it.

Alright I read nobodys post

Someone screen cap it it. I'm not explaining this shit 5 times a day like some sandnigger at prayer time.

Ever heard of pins

Pin that shit

That's up to you. You do you, I'll do me.

there we go

National Socialism is the socialism for you and me

K

Anyways classless societies? are not we all animals and if you want to change that then we become trans-human machines and that would solve that

*[must resist urge to shitpost]*

Maybe.

@Deleted User genetic modification also will work.

Be very careful with that though if something like that happens then it better be Public and transparent and most people will have to agree on it

Hahaha

Problem ?

>future changes have to good and consensual
Ahhh.....

@Deleted User I think both public and non-public is ok.

Well I hope they are doing the right thing then

But how to separate retards from people who a good and can live

Anything that makes a chimpanzee smarter.

wut

@Deleted User Modifications can be made to a genome of any.

Obviously

So all may live.

No no no thats all wrong

What is wrong?

Overpopulation is a problem now and will be a problem still

One baby policy solves it in short time.

Heil!

I dont think thats strong enough to really work

One baby

A holocaust would solve overpopulation.

@Deleted User two baby policy solves it in long time.

Perhaps Lebensraum?

It would I suppose @Deleted User