Everyone who wants reform, mate. @Firefly

No

Shifting views

That is all it is.

@Deleted User shifting religious views into science is bad?

You may believe it to be such, though that is only your view.

I don't believe so, no, though that is my view.

One view is true another is a lie.

Views are not equal.

Though, we can't say which is true.

Yes we can

We study the subject and make conclusions.

Though, have we?

Yes

Provide examples, please.

Provide examples for your own views, rather.

We came to the point where we as Marxists blame ourselves for USSR failure and the world reaction after studying and understanding our faults.

lol what is this faggot shit, "we know as a fact that the guy thought to live in a realm unbeknown to us doesn't exist"

Though, has Marxism actually gone into play? @Firefly

never successfully, but it's been tried many times

@Deleted User We were an active force in play, yes.

Exactly. @Deleted User

Tell me then, where is there a working society of Marxists?

they also failed to convert most people into atheism

they converted very few successfully tbh

they just killed a bunch of orthodox christians

that's it

@Deleted User Lets keep on topic please.

We are.

I gave you example.

I asked you to present proof that your views work.

No, you gave me an example of a failure.

Wait, I thought you wanted me to show you if we learn from our mistakes and use propaganda for bringing us closer to the truth.

all societies that focused on achieving communism through socialism have been economically, and many societally ruined

Russia is getting back on their feet though

good for them

You haven't even shown us that you have learned from them as you have yet to produce a continuation of the USSR. @Firefly

We do mistakes, we analyze, we use propaganda to spread the result, we become better in truth.

Don't use propaganda to spread the truth.

Use results.

you never shifted in strategy though, unless you mean the differences in Jucheist, Yugoslavian and Unionist communism

@Deleted User That is a very complicated subject. We have a very big articles for that. https://prorivists.wordpress.com/source-of-opportunism/

in which case you would be an idiot

Propaganda is merely a tool to brainwash.

because marxists hate jucheists and chinese and yugoslavian

I'm not reading that, mate.

@Deleted User yes, we shifted the strategy.

Please tell me it in your own words instead of pointing me to a biased article.

It really doesn't seem all too complicated.

The subject of using propaganda, I mean.

Basically the old democratic strategy didn't work. We have to become more authoritarian.

Ah yes, become more authoritarian and refuse the people's will.

Good on ye, mate.

@Deleted User I'm in favor of mixing direct democracy with great authority.

I'm also pro free speech.

You are pro free speech though would want to use propaganda?

In our definition propaganda can be used for both spreading truth and a lie.

It's a tool really.

The same with authority.

A tool to push your views.

It can be used for good and bad.

Let people decide for themselves.

Through mediums such as books or the internet.

But people decide crazy stuff every day. Most Americans voted for Trump and Hillary.

Give them the right and they pick Hitler next

I don't believe they would.

They actually did

The Americans were fed up with the status quo, that is why Trump got in.

Comparing him to Hitler is childish.

They also elected Khrushchev democratically and Gorbachev.

Yes, so?

All this people were elected by idiots.

Are you calling the general populace idiots then?

I'm calling a smaller number of people smarter and better suited for governance.

I thought Marxists supported the will of the people, mate.

Any idea what the fuck Makhno was wearing

You forgot what I just told you. We did mistakes in the past. Look what happened after we embraced democracy.

>nothing good.

Time to shift up.

I believe good things did happen, actually.

To a degree.

">nothing good."

It is an expression.

Good on ye for contradicting yourself.

No, it is a statement.

I know better.

I'm telling you that

No shite.

I can read, mate.

Though, I would have to disagree.

As if you knew better, you wouldn't have said it.

There is an option to listen what your opponent is saying or to become autist and space out.

I believe I am going for the first.

Then if i tell you is just an expression - it is for you.

Calling someone an autist during devate isnt very mature.

No, it's not.

Your opinion is not that of mine.

Can you consider my opinion on my own words?

Please?

I could, though that is not what you were implying.