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2017-07-01 12:18:12 UTC

It's relevant because Seedle for example believes in the immediate destruction of the state (I assume) And I believe that when the proletariat has taken over the state and is done with it

2017-07-01 12:18:14 UTC

it'll die out

2017-07-01 12:18:37 UTC

Though I'm not too sure how ancom works

2017-07-01 12:19:03 UTC

but if you remove the state and still have a leadership and a clear direction, a government essentially

2017-07-01 12:19:06 UTC

Sorry libcom*

2017-07-01 12:19:07 UTC

how do you not have a state

2017-07-01 12:19:27 UTC

In which case I'm even more confused

2017-07-01 12:19:40 UTC

In terms of a political entity, a state is any politically organized community living under a single system of government.[

2017-07-01 12:19:44 UTC

>how do you not have a state

2017-07-01 12:19:52 UTC

Because there's no class to enforce their will on you

2017-07-01 12:20:16 UTC

Yeah a state needs to force violence upon a certain class

2017-07-01 12:20:21 UTC

Semi-relevant and it'll open your eyes a bit on a historical materialist approach to history and class society.

2017-07-01 12:20:24 UTC

does it have to though

2017-07-01 12:20:31 UTC

without that it wont really function as a state

2017-07-01 12:21:19 UTC

brb

2017-07-01 12:21:28 UTC

this article refers to rome in 133BC as an empire even though it was still a republic at that point

2017-07-01 12:21:39 UTC

and would remain on for almost 150 more years

2017-07-01 12:21:57 UTC

0/10

2017-07-01 12:29:22 UTC

the main downfall of rome was touched on in this article

2017-07-01 12:29:37 UTC

that being the mass influx of slaves and collectivization of private property

2017-07-01 12:29:58 UTC

with the original romans who built the empire becoming basically a minority in their own empire, rome was no longer roman

2017-07-01 12:30:16 UTC

and quickly lost all of the values and ethos that built it to such great heights in the first place

2017-07-01 12:30:26 UTC

thats why it became so directionless and decayed over time

2017-07-01 12:30:49 UTC

what the fuck is this

2017-07-01 12:30:54 UTC

omg this channel

2017-07-01 12:30:56 UTC

hey buddy

2017-07-01 12:57:44 UTC

Bernie Sanders should have won.

2017-07-01 12:57:54 UTC

lol

2017-07-01 12:58:46 UTC

I don't care if you guys have different opinions I respect that and it's interesting talking about politics and everyone's perspectives.

2017-07-01 12:59:12 UTC

@Radical but he didn't

2017-07-01 12:59:17 UTC

too late to cry about it now.

2017-07-01 12:59:41 UTC

fuck him

2017-07-01 13:51:38 UTC

Anyone play league of legends here?

2017-07-01 13:54:13 UTC

This is some fucked up shit. I looked it up and the same thing happened to a man last year.

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2017-07-01 15:24:34 UTC

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2017-07-01 17:26:22 UTC

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2017-07-01 17:40:47 UTC

>finnish bolshevik

2017-07-01 17:40:50 UTC

Disgraceful

2017-07-01 17:41:22 UTC

>Pro-Hitler people are bad but Pro-Stalin people aren't

2017-07-01 17:41:25 UTC

Yeah okay

2017-07-01 17:43:12 UTC

@Deleted User do you actually think that stalin is comparable to hitler?

2017-07-01 17:43:29 UTC

@darf In what way?

2017-07-01 17:43:51 UTC

the whole evil thing @Deleted User

2017-07-01 17:44:13 UTC

I don't think Stalin was evil neither but Stalin was a jackass and his advisors were despicably evil

2017-07-01 17:44:54 UTC

Molotov-Ribbentrop pact trickery wasn't Stalin's fault (he OK'd it though) but his advisors specifically wanted to through the Germans to the wolves

2017-07-01 17:45:49 UTC

the molotov pact was to protect socialism the rest of the world already signed shit with hitler

2017-07-01 17:46:11 UTC

>Hitler wasn't socialist

2017-07-01 17:46:40 UTC

he legitimately wasnt

2017-07-01 17:46:59 UTC

That meme needs to die

2017-07-01 17:47:12 UTC

your life is a meme

2017-07-01 17:49:20 UTC

@darf Anyway even in the fantasy world that the Germans were [different ideal] scum, making a promise to invade Poland at the same time and violating it by more than half a month is extremely dishonorable

2017-07-01 17:49:59 UTC

Stop worshipping the pig Soviet scum

2017-07-01 17:58:41 UTC

Do you know what socialism means?

2017-07-01 17:58:55 UTC

Define it.

2017-07-01 18:16:54 UTC

Just saw your thing. Decided to make a ramble in notepad and paste

2017-07-01 18:16:57 UTC

@Seedle Socialism, the ownership of the means of production belongs to the society as a whole rather than an aristocracy (or any small group of people within the society). All implications of the transition state lie in Marxist or otherwise theory. Socialism at its base is common ownership. Property ownership is variable, a socialist state can have property and even personal trade. Socialists of course like myself disdain excessive land ownership and excessive profiteering especially by capitalistic aristocrats. And the argument between collectivism and individualism is a red herring for the time being. Especially if you allow individualistic ancoms to call themselves coms at all.

2017-07-01 18:18:00 UTC

why is there no chat for dutch

2017-07-01 18:18:02 UTC

what is this

2017-07-01 18:18:09 UTC

Because the Netherlands is irrelevant

2017-07-01 18:18:19 UTC

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2017-07-01 18:18:21 UTC

remember that one time we installed the current UK monarchy

2017-07-01 18:18:29 UTC

and we did the original vietnam war thing

2017-07-01 18:18:31 UTC

except 3 times

2017-07-01 18:18:48 UTC

without the terrain perks

2017-07-01 18:18:49 UTC

Muh spices and ports

2017-07-01 18:19:11 UTC

more than you will ever achieve

2017-07-01 20:48:48 UTC

Anyone wanna... talk a bit?

2017-07-01 20:52:56 UTC

I feel like having a day off today from chatting. Saturday, time to rest.

2017-07-01 21:35:32 UTC

@not becky That is a fucking weird price for a bail? What did he do to get in jail anyways?

2017-07-01 22:25:38 UTC

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2017-07-02 00:36:44 UTC

Poverty and capitalism

2017-07-02 00:36:53 UTC

Poverty has existed for as long as class divisions have existed. There have been classless societies before, what Marx called "primitive communism", but with the advent of agriculture there came a time where one strong authority could assume control of the production of food and other vital resources, and with that came the existence of poverty, of a specific class of people who had less than others.
In our current society, poverty does not exist because resources are scarce and we cannot spare any food or clothing or shelter, but because we refuse to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, and to shelter the homeless. We have enough food worldwide to feed 10 billion people. In America there are five empty houses for every homeless person. 20 million people die each year of hunger, lack of clean water, and preventable illnesses. The obstacle to ending poverty is not a lack of resources, but a lack of incentive. The producers of goods today produce them to make a profit, and there is no profit in providing goods to those who cannot pay. Communism seeks to end poverty by removing the profit motive and creating a new motive, production-for-use. Communists wish to see production of goods to satisfy the needs and desires of all people.
We have the ability already to end poverty. We just need to be brave enough to do it.

2017-07-02 00:41:02 UTC

/pol/ communism general

2017-07-02 01:54:51 UTC

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2017-07-02 01:57:28 UTC

Communisim doesnt work

2017-07-02 01:57:57 UTC

Get the the final red pill, comrade.

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2017-07-02 01:59:21 UTC

No

2017-07-02 01:59:51 UTC

Communism does not work.
Neo communists are a bunch of god damned retards.

2017-07-02 02:00:06 UTC

We will have to crush you than.

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2017-07-02 02:03:23 UTC

Bahahaha

2017-07-02 02:03:40 UTC

You cant even move out of your mothers basement

2017-07-02 02:04:21 UTC

Apply water to the burn

2017-07-02 02:04:28 UTC

Cold water is better...

2017-07-02 02:05:22 UTC

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2017-07-02 02:05:51 UTC

Like i said....you cant even

2017-07-02 02:06:23 UTC

I bet you are some damn skinny ass white kid

2017-07-02 02:06:30 UTC

From america

2017-07-02 02:06:38 UTC

Americans oy oy oy

2017-07-02 02:06:47 UTC

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2017-07-02 02:09:08 UTC

naztrot will win

2017-07-02 02:09:23 UTC

Why USSR's economy always been improving?

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2017-07-02 02:09:31 UTC

Why it is so good?

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