thats not a human response

But that's not what we're talking about now

isnt it?

Nope.

"smash the state" is the default mantra

why?

It's not the default mantra

How is it "impossible that a socialist may find himself in a functional state which happens to also operate capitalisitically?" It is fully possible and likely.

Horse shit, ive been trolling commies for three weeks and it's absolutely the mantra

There's many variations of it that have created several branches

Because Marxists recognize that the state serves only the interests of the productive-land owning class.

If you're talking about the bourgeois concept of state, sure, but not the state as an entity

so the capitalist system only rewards the capable?

Quite the opposite, OF.

@OF-8 "Smash the state" is a mantra because the state demands subordination to its struture of private ownership. This point is obvious.

Some prefer a transitional state, some want no transtition at all

That too, it depends what tendency of socialism you're referring to.

EVEN THE TRANSITIONAL STATE MUST SUBORDINATE THE PEOPLE

WTF

how is this different?

@OF-8 See

You're now finding out about different branches of socialism

IN THE PROPER WAY

INSTEAD OF RTFM

Some thing that the transitional state isn't going to work, some think it does

The transitional state is the working class subordinating their previous oppressors.

^ this sounds like a massacre

How does it?

Yes.

I mean, if the bourgeois class wants to try to hold counter-revolution, then yes the response is usually to stop them with force

The prying hands of the bourgeoisie have to be cut off.

This doesn't sound like human.

🚁

hence my fear

Helicopter rides, ha ha

I would really rather not have to...

What do you have to fear?

but the oppression of the bourgeois class by the proletariat class simply means the new state serves the interests of the overwhelming majority of people (the working class), and not the interest of the extreme minority (the previous productive-land owning class). And by implementing socialist policies and protecting the revolution the workers will eventually eliminate classes entirely.

Defeding myself against chink-sponsored bolshevism

specifically

This isn't the cold war anymore, m8

yeah but you're a marxist, wtf u know about geopolitics

@OF-8 The treadmill of capital is less human. Besides what is so sacred about something so static as human values?

literal goyim telling about the world

Well, if you're talking about chink-sponsored bolshevism in 2017 then it's not me who should learn a thing or two about geopolitics

so capital is less human, but who cares about human values?

what

this is beyond retardation

Also, read what skittles just posted

read skittles

kek

eh, i dont buy it skittles

But you're a capitalist.

i just dont believe thats a useful analysis of class interactions

prove that im a capitalist

I said, if you want to appeal to human values, capitalism is not it. But these values are not absolute.

you have no idea what i am

ok great

thats clearer

Like. I don't have a million cash, but assets and investments etc.
I don't really "work" anymore.
Blebleh - Last Monday at 3:43 AM
Look Amancio Ortega, exploiting children in maquilas, very successful; but exploitation doesn't exist right? ;3
OF-8 - Last Monday at 3:43 AM
I don't care.
Better I exploit them than commies.

kek

lmfao

*cough cough*

accuse me of capitalism if you wish

but you admitted it

lol

"Better I exploit them than commies."

Someone's going to get to see the wall very close soon 😉

I was only laying out my relation to class structures

you not only acknowledge exploitation of workers but you want to participate in it!

that was specifically notable because i came from a reservation

Workers are going to be exploited

there's no avoiding it

>there's no avoiding it

Are YOU even human?

^this

I'm starting to think it's you who isn't human, OF

I'm not sure why you'd disagree with the existence of a capitalist class that owns productive land and the existence of a working class forced to sell their labor power to these capitalists in return for a wage, while the capitalist extracts the surplus value generated by these workers

i mean

i dont own land tho

so idk

fuckin metaphor breaks down p hard

CEOs on average make 300 more times than their workers but sure as Hell don't do 300 times the amount of labor.

get gud, faggot

not CEO's fault you're a loser

blame school system for turning you socialist

kek

It's the CEO's fault for being a capitalist who exploits the wide majority of people for their labor power.

no, its your fault for being jelly of his game

And now we're reaching the denial part when commies are just lazy people

ur shit at capital game

so you wanna flip the table

Inhuman kulaks go to gulag.

thats real fuckin gay my nigga

https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2017-01-16/just-8-men-own-same-wealth-half-world

undisputed

>8 people own the same wealth as half of the fucking planet

communism is their tool

Sure, it's not the capitalist exploiting workers and basically a minority having the world in its hands, it's us, that want to flip the table

>im trying to figure out if commies are humans