That's it

Under socialism the state owns the MOP

socialism is seen as a transitional state from capitalism to communism

also what Tomato said

Right so I'm not wrong

No, you are

State owned capitalism is still capitalism untill money or capital is abolished it's capitalist

Capital and money are synononyms in many ways

Capitalism doesn't grant the workers control over the means of production, the control is in the hands of the Bourgeoisie

When we speak of socialism we're only talking about Marxist Socialism alone right?

Yes that is the socialism I am referring to

Ooh even worse

So you don't care about being anti-semetic

wait what?

Marxism is anti-Semitic Marx himself hated the Jews

How is Marxian socialism Anti-Semitic? Engels, Marx, and Lenin all had Jewish blood

the fuck

okay so this isnt shitposting

alright

No I do shit post but I'm not right now

All socialism, Marxist or not is like that. Community ownership I mean

That's not true the government owns the mop under socialism

Marx didn't hate Jewish people, he hated the culture surrounding judaism

How the heck does that make sense? The founding fathers of Marxism were all athiest jews and it's doctrine was widely accepted by many jews in the western world.

Apparently this large Israeli party is Anti-Semitic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maki_(political_party)

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I couldn't get that link less gore-y on my phone

Wait here we go

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

On the Jewish Question by Marx

Also recognize Marxism Leninism Scientific Atheism was often referred to as 'State Atheism' and the purpose of which was to slowly loosen religiosity and eventually have society move beyond it, including Judaism

Marx specifically is only Jewish if you think it's a genetic thing, which is absurd. He denounced Judaism and became an atheist

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Doing a cursory look about Lenin his "Jewish-ness" is a great grand father on his mother's side he was probably unaware of. He was an atheist however. Huge stretch

But let's also consider non-jewish communist leaders as well:
-Thomas Sankara
-Che Guevara
-Fidel Castro
-Ho Chi Mihn
-Enver Hoxha
-Mao ZeDong
-Joseph Stalin
-Fusako Shigenobu
-Huey P Newton
-Abimael Guzmán

And so on and so forth

Jewish identity isnt exclusive to faith. Many athiests with still self identify to be jewish because of their heritage

Well they identify as secular Jews

I thought Stalin was a Jew.

These people are all Atheist Atheist

No Stalin was Georgian

Oh

Yeah, he was a thug too

But probably one of the better leaders the Gommies have had

I'm generally pro-Stalin

Are you full on Tankie or just Anti-Rev?

Depends on what you mean by the first

Like

But anti-revisionist yes

Are you a Stalinist

That's not a thing

I'm a Marxist Leninist Maoist

The Marxist Leninist part is sometimes called "Stalinism"

Meh

Thoughts on the current state of China?

It's Capitalist, the CPC is a bourgeois party

It has a corporatist, class collaborationist model

I see

And what of the other 3 (4 if you want to consider ~~best~~ North Korea socialist) socialist states?

Well, De Jure socialist

anti-semitism is bad goy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruaCpRWHeXc

Based and Redpilled

communism is anti-semitic because doctors plot lmao

that also ended up with stalin dying

The DPRK is probably the only socialist country left, if that

Isn't Cuba still fairly socialist?

I understand its been slowly reforming towards capitalism at least since Castro kicked the bucket

NK the last stand of implicit communism

altho kim kinda cucked

Nah

North Korea has been doing this for quite some time

he's just digging deeper bunkers

is that what you're saying

They pretend to be good so they get foreign aid then they'll go back to threatening war or some shit, though there is a chance Kim is legit this time

tbh it was china that put the stop to it

cuz nk kept poking the bear

Lol

didn't China threaten NK if they didn't stop they will limit the aid?

Yeah

I'm pretty sure NK gets ton of aid from China

China's probably had enough of their little game

Yep

Without China North Korea would collapse almost overnight

NK even says it isn't communist

Yeah

Its removed all mentions of socialism from its constitution

They slowly dropped the whole communism thing back in like the 70s

And just says it's Jucheist now

It also acknowledges they have a dynasty

White juche now

Yeah

Black Bolshevism Now

(Because they'll all starve to death)

This but also apply it too leafs

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Nice

Join the ABP

Or NBU