one thing me and Xinyue can agree on

Gorbachev is fucking shit

> Gorbachev best leader

uh

no

holy shit

Fuck off Campodin

sold out the entire Union

Exactly

Thats exactly why he was the best leader

Gorbachev was epic

> exactly

this is revisionism

This area is infested with revisionism

Says the fucking

Trotskyite

Yes
says the fucking trot

Trotskyism is irrelevant in the 21st century.

whose permanent revolution was something that Marx himself wouldve supported

How is that revisionism? If I'm agreeing that he sold out the union how is that revisionism?

you are saying he is a good leader

Gorbachev is lame

Communism is irrelevant in the 21st century

WRONG

Stalin and Kruschev though

Communism is growing in terms of relevance by the day

Mmm

No, I said he is the best. Not good

Khrushchev was ebin

@Fleming just wait until automation starts fucking over the working class 😉

Okay atleast we can also agree on that Lenin was fucking epic @Xinyue

If I wasn't clerfash I'd be Christbol

Brezhnev was the closest USSR got to stabilization.

What

Lol

Communism is growing so much that theres not any socialist state left except shithole cuba and north korea

Communism with a human face could have been done under him with enough time.

North Korea ain't Marxian Socialist

Why are you upset that a guy with Pinochet as his pfp picks your least favorite as his best?

Instead we got G*rbachev

Check Guevara was baste

Check Guevara

Che Gayvara*

I am gay for che

Che was not a trot though

@Xinyue thoughts on the Prague Uprising and Hungarian Revolution in '56 🤔

@Leon Trotsky Lenin was good, yes, laid the solid foundation of the USSR. Stalin I personally dislike, real talk for a moment, and his administration did lots of mistakes, but on the other hand if Stalin didn't exist I'm not sure how 1941 would've ended up like

Prague was in 68

I know

well, I believe Trotsky couldve done many of the things stalin did

Baste

Trotsky would've been hated by pretty much every non communist nation

UK-Germany axis when

He was hated by every non communist nation

Exactly

Trot was gay and was rightly killed

the problem with Trotsky is that I think he might've - with best of intentions - gone around spending most of 1920s and 1930s invading smaller countries in the periphery of the USSR, across central asia, eastern europe etc. and might've actually ignored some aspects of the necessary cultivation of the productive forces

and then,

when the war does come,

the 1941 might've ended differently

its a lot of "what ifs" yes

I can't know for sure

Well, cultivation of the productive forces would be the same as it was under stalin

trotsky also supported five year plans

Male in the Chateau of high altitude irl when

hmmm

I think that if Trotsky managed to be more or less the same as Stalin, but just without the absolute breakdown of human life that happened in the 1930s, that would make him superior yes

but I'm not convinced he'd been like this

he seemed to be very hell bent on expanding the realm of the union

permanent revolution and all

so eh

I'll pass on that theory for now

Oof

Never answered my question

smh

He wasn't called "The Red D*vil" for nothing

So the "less breakdown of human life" is arguable.

I'm not convinced that Trotsky would've been tremendously better

and,

he probably would've been more hasty

in expanding ,etc.

Not to mention he is jewish too

communism is jewish

***akthually*** that statement is false

the right wing version of leftists calling eachother revisionists
calling eachother jews

i dont trust words from a jew

except maybe albert einstein

Shalom

Socialism, communism, mutualism, anarchism, syndicalism etc. all emerged from France, invented by frenchmen like Saint-Simon, d'Hupay, Proudhon and others

Your Local Jewish nonce

France basically invented the far-left

maybe that's why they're so violent even today

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room temperature iq right-wingers though consistently maintain that it was da joos 😂

thats cuz it is

noooo

that's false

yes

literal lies and blasphemy