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2018-12-17 04:32:00 UTC

Romania had nowhere near enough

2018-12-17 04:33:33 UTC

why didn't Germany just not invade USSR and leave it at that

2018-12-17 04:33:55 UTC

Some evidence points to the Soviets preparing for an invasion in July of 1941

2018-12-17 04:34:02 UTC

the big dumb decision on Hitler's part - if it had called it a day after the conquests of 1940, they could've kept the Reich

2018-12-17 04:34:08 UTC

tbh

2018-12-17 04:34:34 UTC

Stalin only used the non-aggression pact as an advantage because one of them were going to attack each other sooner or later

2018-12-17 04:34:56 UTC

Yes but I think Germans would've had a much stronger military case with defense, rather than attack

2018-12-17 04:35:03 UTC

Hello.

2018-12-17 04:35:06 UTC

The Soviets and French should have just honored the Czechoslovak-Soviet Treaty of Alliance and completely annihilated Germany in 1938

2018-12-17 04:35:18 UTC

Anyone like my name?

2018-12-17 04:35:21 UTC

like, if they had the whole 1940, pre-Barbarossa Reich, and used all those armies *for defense*

2018-12-17 04:35:22 UTC

no

2018-12-17 04:35:24 UTC

they could've been viable

2018-12-17 04:35:29 UTC

Maybe

2018-12-17 04:35:38 UTC

cause USSR was also building up

2018-12-17 04:35:40 UTC

but invasion of USSR was always a brainlet move

2018-12-17 04:35:43 UTC

well yeah

2018-12-17 04:35:45 UTC

And they had a shit ton of numbers

2018-12-17 04:36:14 UTC

you make a point there, if they had been able to fully modernise (which they were *in middle of doing,* btw, in 1941) and use the Deep Battle strategy effectively, it could've ended bad for Germany nevertheless

2018-12-17 04:42:24 UTC

The UK and France had so many chances to stop Hitler, and yet, they only tried to when it was too late

2018-12-17 04:42:31 UTC

yeah

2018-12-17 04:42:39 UTC

i mean the most infuriating part is the Saar Offensive

2018-12-17 04:42:40 UTC

which,

2018-12-17 04:42:43 UTC

if the French committed to it,

2018-12-17 04:42:55 UTC

could've worked out to a pretty good extent

2018-12-17 04:43:19 UTC

Yeah

2018-12-17 04:43:38 UTC

What they should have done though is make Germany back down after it remilitarized the Rhineland

2018-12-17 04:43:56 UTC

seriously wtf France

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/524084308051230723/Saar.png

2018-12-17 04:44:04 UTC

Even if the population would protest, Germany was in no way able to beat both the French and British military

2018-12-17 04:44:09 UTC

you could've fucking done something

2018-12-17 04:44:11 UTC

jfc

2018-12-17 04:44:22 UTC

They should have honored the Czechoslovak-Soviet Treaty of Alliance

2018-12-17 04:44:30 UTC

> have 40 divisions
> face 22 divisions

*decide not to do shit for keks*

2018-12-17 04:44:38 UTC

If the French had stood up for the Czechs the Soviets would have as well

2018-12-17 04:44:38 UTC

They should've

2018-12-17 04:44:43 UTC

they should've yes

2018-12-17 04:44:45 UTC

PeAcE iN oUr tImE

2018-12-17 04:45:01 UTC

its strange that nobody did anything

2018-12-17 04:45:08 UTC

I mean yes yes I get the "muh WWI" angle

2018-12-17 04:45:13 UTC

but still jesus christ

2018-12-17 04:45:19 UTC

could've prevented WW2 ain't it

2018-12-17 04:45:27 UTC

Wanna know whats funny

2018-12-17 04:45:54 UTC

Oster stated that if Chamberlain would remain strong against Germany during Munich they would overthrow Hitler if he tried to invade

2018-12-17 04:46:06 UTC

damn

2018-12-17 04:46:20 UTC

Though the Monarchy would have probably been restored

2018-12-17 04:46:30 UTC

But even after Oster begged him to not fold

2018-12-17 04:46:31 UTC

He did anyways

2018-12-17 04:46:34 UTC

Fucking Chamberlain

2018-12-17 04:46:37 UTC

Imperial Germany > Nazi Germany

2018-12-17 04:46:42 UTC

Yes

2018-12-17 04:47:15 UTC

The wokest one though is Strasserist Black Front Germany, but that alternate timeline is not very likely, though it would be cool, given Otto's writings and views

2018-12-17 04:47:40 UTC

National Socialism but more bashing Capitalism and less on Jews

2018-12-17 04:47:43 UTC

<:lol:521377935672737792>

2018-12-17 04:47:54 UTC

You know, in case of Strasserism, the socialism part is for real

2018-12-17 04:48:03 UTC

unlike Hitlerism, where its just pr tactic

2018-12-17 04:48:14 UTC

We wuz Aryanz

2018-12-17 04:48:24 UTC

its funny yeah ๐Ÿ˜„

2018-12-17 04:48:27 UTC

Honestly

2018-12-17 04:48:30 UTC

We wuz Hyperboreans n shieet

2018-12-17 04:49:15 UTC

I wonder what would have happened had Hitler gotten shot by that British soldier in WW1, and instead the Red Baron survives and eventually takes Hitler's place

2018-12-17 04:49:17 UTC

๐Ÿค”

2018-12-17 04:49:23 UTC

He wouldn't be same ideologically ofc

2018-12-17 04:49:38 UTC

๐Ÿค”

2018-12-17 04:49:53 UTC

you know

2018-12-17 04:49:58 UTC

if Hitler had never existed,

2018-12-17 04:50:06 UTC

this could've made DAP much less of a factor in German politics

2018-12-17 04:50:11 UTC

Yeah

2018-12-17 04:50:17 UTC

which, tbh, would've handed much ground to the KPD

2018-12-17 04:50:32 UTC

I wonder if the DNVP would become more Fascist esque had Hitler not existed

2018-12-17 04:50:37 UTC

They were already reactionary

2018-12-17 04:51:35 UTC

well, I mean, Hitler did drive DAP into much more Fascistic direction compared to the Strasser brothers or the left-wing of DAP. I think the major difference between Italian Fascism and German Fascism is the race component

2018-12-17 04:51:40 UTC

My nickname is superior

2018-12-17 04:51:42 UTC

Mhm

2018-12-17 04:51:58 UTC

Racism wasn't really in Fascist Italy until Mussolini cracked under Hitler's pressure

2018-12-17 04:52:07 UTC

Well, there were no racial laws

2018-12-17 04:52:11 UTC

yeah it wasn't part of the original platform

2018-12-17 04:52:23 UTC

and I think that Mussolini *only* did it because of said pressure

2018-12-17 04:52:29 UTC

I don't think it coincides with his character

2018-12-17 04:52:33 UTC

Mhm

2018-12-17 04:52:45 UTC

Mussolini originally disliked and didn't trust Hitler

2018-12-17 04:53:09 UTC

the Roman Empire which Fascist Party tried to recreate was multiethnic to begin with, so the race component was nonsensical to the rejuvenation project of the Italian Fascist

2018-12-17 04:53:16 UTC

mhm

2018-12-17 04:54:26 UTC

Fascism would've been much better without Hitler

2018-12-17 04:54:46 UTC

What can be said of it is that it would've survived, I think, much longer than it did historically

2018-12-17 04:55:00 UTC

Eh

2018-12-17 04:55:12 UTC

Hitler's meltdown with Soviets ensured that it would be destroyed not long after the war began

2018-12-17 04:55:13 UTC

Probably

2018-12-17 04:55:45 UTC

There were already fascist movements in pretty much every Western country by the mid 1930s

2018-12-17 04:55:55 UTC

only a few got any real political power though

2018-12-17 04:56:40 UTC

Jose antonio was murdered smh

2018-12-17 04:56:42 UTC

There are a few lesser known fascist, or fascist-esque states, like Portugal and Brazil, under Salazar and Vargas

2018-12-17 04:56:45 UTC

Fuck franco

2018-12-17 04:56:47 UTC

It was a growing movement, yes, but I think that it never had that global appeal of communism though it wanted to partake in that appeal. For example in Finland, a fascist movement did exist but it was btfo'd pretty hard by the general public and government.

2018-12-17 04:56:56 UTC

Yeah

2018-12-17 04:56:59 UTC

Austrofascism was one of the more serious lesser tendencies I think

2018-12-17 04:57:01 UTC

RIP Lapua movement

2018-12-17 04:57:28 UTC

@Xinyue are you the guy on twitter that has the same pfp as what you have on here

2018-12-17 04:57:31 UTC

Its funny, Finland is always lifted up on this right-wing pedestal but the whole country throughout its history was very consistently left-wing

2018-12-17 04:57:39 UTC

Mhm

2018-12-17 04:57:46 UTC

yes, I believe that you and I had an encounter @Stern didn't we?

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