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gender isnt an identify
its a way of acting
this was pretty cool
if people dont recognize you as woman its because you arent one
theres a bimodal cluster of gendered traits between masculine and feminine so in a way there is 2 genders but that's reductionist
@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist Because the social construct of "man" is a dominant gender influence, and for many individuals, they might not experience gender dysphoria and so on and so forth. Do you want to discuss how many hijiaras came to be in the Indian subcontient?
I agree with Hugh tbh
@Arc How what I said implies that society determines gender? Suits and dresses are just clothing.
I dont have to identify as a man, and I dont have to worry about people "missgendering" me, because I am actually a man, trannies arent.
It's not that hard
Action matters more than words
> @KekistaniLegend just judge them on their personality
@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist suits and dresses are undoubtedly apart of gender
if someone passes as being a man they are a man
People can be what they want to be
but if they dont pass they arent
Hugh is just rambling nonsense, lol.
we appreciate power
No it doesnt work like that :/
I dont care if it effects people
Them being a man doesnt effect you?
"If I do not recognize their gender as being this, it is not this gender" 😂
thats literally what gender is
No it's not.
There is only male and female
yeah it is
so what's your point
Transgender men can be male or female
gender is inexorably linked to your connection to society so in a way hugh is right
if someone has physical feminine traits but is a man, until proved to me that they're not, they're a woman in my eyes. that doesnt meant that they are a woman
you silly man
Youre only the gender people preserve you as
Arguing gender is somehow only dependent on interaction and perception is such a low iq take. Yikes.
its just what my perspective allows me to believe
physicality isnt the only factor lol
Transgender women can be male or female
Im not saying there is an objective standard idiot
I literally told this guy hair isnt restricted and agreee with him and he turns around and talks shit about transgender people
Ignoring the identity and conception aspect of gender.. Yikes.
stop with these leading questions that have nothing to do with what im saying
When a second ago he was butthurt about hairstyles
gender isnt an identity 😐
@xeviax But what is the reason why in Western and so many other societies being born male leads to becoming a man? Why is it specifically a man? What causes it?
Literally fucking done
its a way of behaving
the behavior ties into that identity
Like I can identify as a dog if i want
but thats not what I am
dog isnt an identity
its a thing
yeah because dog refers to a species
gender is not an identity
just like gender
sex is an identity
which is bullshit
some of them
Sex is biological gender is an identity
but gender is not identity
gender is by definition a combination of how you identify, present yourself, and interact with society
Sex and gender are both constructs
so it is at least partially contingent on individual determination
People might have them as identities, but that doesnt mean that they are an idenity. Just as humanity is something someone might identity with, but thats not what it is.
@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist First off, when working with any sort of history here, you need to take into account this:The traditional suppression of trans people has long existed, similar to how gay people were suppressed and orcrastized if discovered. Such oppression is very much a part of history and you have to take that into account when discussing this.
gender is biological sex is identity
and anything other man or woman is a glitch
you got it all fucked bro
its harsh but its true
@Arc But they are a small part of it. It's like saying that for an Arab wearing Arab clothes determines Arab clothes. Arabs usually wear Arabs clothes so people could tell they're Arabs but if they wear say British or Chinese clothes it won't make them non-Arabs.
whats the point in reproductive organs that dont work to reproduce
and not including surgical procedures to become infertile
@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist so gender roles are different across cultures?
How can this be?
@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist but surly we will see similar clothing if this is biological
@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist But why what? As for the second point, merely because a lot of "males" fit with their gender identity of being "men", that doesn't mean it applies to the millions of trans/nonbinary individuals that don't find this fitting for them.
Like, this is a sizeable phenomona. A major one.
If you want to see notes on some of the science conducted so far (2016 but still)
gender isnt a science thing
sociology isn't science
You know nothing at all, please don't interject or butt in the middle when you have no knowledge of the topic.
gender is science lmao
i know some things, you lie!
I have already absolutely BTFOd this entire discussion
Do your research, read the actual page, learn about how science regarding trans people is conducted in a spectrum of sciences, the medical, biology, sociology, and more.
no i dont think i will
sociology isn't science
Please don't interject with nonsense without having done any form of research.
Yeah, that's what I thought, now stick low and mind your own business, buck-a-roo
Social science doesnt exist
my gender is a helicopter, respect my gender
good for you
This is even worse than the abortion debate
your gender is not a helicopter
you can say your sex is a helicopter
Science denial is op op
@xeviax I'm asking you why majority of males in so many societies end up becoming male. Even if that is because of social pressure, why does it happen? Was there some kind of ancient civil war between sexes that man-woman sex system won and now oppresses everyone else?
Anyways, Sun Emperor is actually engaging with me in contrast.
I can say i sexually identify as a carpet but not biologically which is gender
@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist No. A major finding across the sciences is that *gender* is a social construct.
that's why i'm a helicopter
i am socially accepted as one
There was no such war. There was culture and societal influences that shaped what a "man" is in your society and so on and so forth.
the funny this is that even though these tranny people think that they are liberating themselves from the concept of gender or something like that
they are really just becoming more cucked by it
by seeing everything as identity
Oof. I need to go for a family related engagement IRL.
this is the difference between like the tomboys and the contemporary trannies
@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist May we continue this in a bit/soon/later?
Perhaps by then, Hugh will stop his unwarranted interjections
Despite his lack of research and knowledge on this topic.
No, being cringe isn't really swag, sweetie.
Anyways, gotta go for a bit, dammit family.
i identify as Probably Tim
hi server owner 😳
are you a man or are you gay?
pick your gender
This is an old call back
Someone used tims name in a hypothetical
you mean doxastical
I was reading a book about my place
and it says that near my house there was a battle in ww2
my grandpa can confirm that too
they nearly shot him
that is why we need tanks
to defend ourselves <:amusedpepe:537808859004403733>
Tanks make things go boom
How come there is
A right to life
A right to freedom
But no right to cock and ball torture?
we were at 10203
o.O that's a statistician
now at 10199
Cock and ball torture is a human right
I remember when it was 1203
am or pm?
Damn it’s popular.
this server grow so fast
i like this server
tim is my son
Same. Thank God no one aborted it
we appreciate power
Wait how do get roles?
@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist <#604683357397319690> boiii
you need to deserve em
Did wicked fix the bot?
Yea. I’m very passionate about banning them.
Wicked doesn't want me as helper as he says that I am a "rule breaker"
Pretty much anyone who says they’re against abortion I’ll vote for them.
Why is it EVERYTIME I WAKE UP. The debate topic is abortion?
Idc if they’re Hitler
HAH wicked has pp now
@Ubiquinonewhat if they grow up to be people who support abortion?
Abortion implies heterosexual sex
this mods so gay
mods are gay
Then I know my work succeeded.
The fact they have a right to live is all I want.
Idc what they turn out to be.
im abit too gay tbh
^gayest user on here