#general-chat (Discord ID: 604650578320293928) in Blue Politics, page 6285

https://youtu.be/nj-Iwv5NJKg

gender isnt an identify

its a way of acting

and looking

this was pretty cool

Yeah

if people dont recognize you as woman its because you arent one

@murky so what would they be if you never got to see their genitals?

theres a bimodal cluster of gendered traits between masculine and feminine so in a way there is 2 genders but that's reductionist

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist Because the social construct of "man" is a dominant gender influence, and for many individuals, they might not experience gender dysphoria and so on and so forth. Do you want to discuss how many hijiaras came to be in the Indian subcontient?

I agree with Hugh tbh

@Arc How what I said implies that society determines gender? Suits and dresses are just clothing.

@AlexHT just judge them on their personality

I dont have to identify as a man, and I dont have to worry about people "missgendering" me, because I am actually a man, trannies arent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

It's not that hard

Action matters more than words

> @KekistaniLegend just judge them on their personality
Sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRBJ2fysc64

@Hugh transgender men are men

no sir

loool

Lmfao

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist suits and dresses are undoubtedly apart of gender

if someone passes as being a man they are a man

fair enough

People can be what they want to be

but if they dont pass they arent

Hugh is just rambling nonsense, lol.

It doesnt effect anyone @Hugh

we appreciate power

No it doesnt work like that :/

I dont care if it effects people

Them being a man doesnt effect you?

"If I do not recognize their gender as being this, it is not this gender" 😂

Yes

thats literally what gender is

No it's not.

There is only male and female

yeah it is

so what's your point

Transgender men can be male or female

gender is inexorably linked to your connection to society so in a way hugh is right

if someone has physical feminine traits but is a man, until proved to me that they're not, they're a woman in my eyes. that doesnt meant that they are a woman

you silly man

@Hugh what is an objective standard of man or woman?

Youre only the gender people preserve you as

Arguing gender is somehow only dependent on interaction and perception is such a low iq take. Yikes.

its just what my perspective allows me to believe

physicality isnt the only factor lol

Transgender women can be male or female

Im not saying there is an objective standard idiot

I literally told this guy hair isnt restricted and agreee with him and he turns around and talks shit about transgender people

Ignoring the identity and conception aspect of gender.. Yikes.

stop with these leading questions that have nothing to do with what im saying

When a second ago he was butthurt about hairstyles

gender isnt an identity 😐

@xeviax But what is the reason why in Western and so many other societies being born male leads to becoming a man? Why is it specifically a man? What causes it?

Literally fucking done

its a way of behaving

Bye

and looking

the behavior ties into that identity

Like I can identify as a dog if i want

but thats not what I am

dog isnt an identity

its a thing

yeah because dog refers to a species

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gender is not an identity

just like gender

sex is an identity

yeah

which is bullshit

no

some of them

not all

Sex is biological gender is an identity

but gender is not identity

gender is by definition a combination of how you identify, present yourself, and interact with society

Sex and gender are both constructs

so it is at least partially contingent on individual determination

People might have them as identities, but that doesnt mean that they are an idenity. Just as humanity is something someone might identity with, but thats not what it is.

@AlexHT its the exact opposite lmfao

Reject materialism

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist First off, when working with any sort of history here, you need to take into account this:The traditional suppression of trans people has long existed, similar to how gay people were suppressed and orcrastized if discovered. Such oppression is very much a part of history and you have to take that into account when discussing this.

gender is biological sex is identity

@murky ok

and anything other man or woman is a glitch

lol what

you got it all fucked bro

its harsh but its true

@Arc But they are a small part of it. It's like saying that for an Arab wearing Arab clothes determines Arab clothes. Arabs usually wear Arabs clothes so people could tell they're Arabs but if they wear say British or Chinese clothes it won't make them non-Arabs.

whats the point in reproductive organs that dont work to reproduce

and not including surgical procedures to become infertile

@xeviax Ok it happened. But why?

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist so gender roles are different across cultures?

How can this be?

@Arc Clothing is different across cultures.

And history.

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist but surly we will see similar clothing if this is biological

Correct?

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist But why what? As for the second point, merely because a lot of "males" fit with their gender identity of being "men", that doesn't mean it applies to the millions of trans/nonbinary individuals that don't find this fitting for them.

Like, this is a sizeable phenomona. A major one.

😐

http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/

If you want to see notes on some of the science conducted so far (2016 but still)

gender isnt a science thing

sociology isn't science

idiot

yeah this

👍

You know nothing at all, please don't interject or butt in the middle when you have no knowledge of the topic.

Thanks.

gender is science lmao

wdym

i know some things, you lie!

I have already absolutely BTFOd this entire discussion

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Do your research, read the actual page, learn about how science regarding trans people is conducted in a spectrum of sciences, the medical, biology, sociology, and more.

no i dont think i will

sociology isn't science

Please don't interject with nonsense without having done any form of research.

@xeviax gender studies dont exist

Yeah, that's what I thought, now stick low and mind your own business, buck-a-roo

Social science doesnt exist

God damn

@Arc To these weirdos apparently it doesn't ikr

my gender is a helicopter, respect my gender

good for you

This is even worse than the abortion debate

😂

your gender is not a helicopter

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you can say your sex is a helicopter

Science denial is op op

@xeviax I'm asking you why majority of males in so many societies end up becoming male. Even if that is because of social pressure, why does it happen? Was there some kind of ancient civil war between sexes that man-woman sex system won and now oppresses everyone else?

Anyways, Sun Emperor is actually engaging with me in contrast.

I can say i sexually identify as a carpet but not biologically which is gender

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist No. A major finding across the sciences is that *gender* is a social construct.

that's why i'm a helicopter

i am socially accepted as one

There was no such war. There was culture and societal influences that shaped what a "man" is in your society and so on and so forth.

@xeviax Okay I mixed them up.

the funny this is that even though these tranny people think that they are liberating themselves from the concept of gender or something like that

they are really just becoming more cucked by it

by seeing everything as identity

Oof. I need to go for a family related engagement IRL.

this is the difference between like the tomboys and the contemporary trannies

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@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist May we continue this in a bit/soon/later?

@xeviax Maybe.

Perhaps by then, Hugh will stop his unwarranted interjections

😎

get rekt

Despite his lack of research and knowledge on this topic.

No, being cringe isn't really swag, sweetie.

Anyways, gotta go for a bit, dammit family.

i identify as Probably Tim

hi server owner 😳

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are you a man or are you gay?

pick your gender

@Jordan Philips Cockram

This is an old call back

Someone used tims name in a hypothetical

😂

lol

Jordan

you mean doxastical

I was reading a book about my place

and it says that near my house there was a battle in ww2

my grandpa can confirm that too

they nearly shot him

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that is why we need tanks

Hot

to defend ourselves <:amusedpepe:537808859004403733>

@Jordan Philips Cockram <:sadcatlove:661995004746661920>

Tanks make things go boom

@Electron <:luvyou:676924511328796692>

Lel

How come there is

A right to life

Statistics

A right to freedom

But no right to cock and ball torture?

Ok

OWO

we were at 10203

o.O that's a statistician

Wot

Bro

now at 10199

Cock and ball torture is a human right

Lel

I remember when it was 1203

am or pm?

@Froggo <:sadcatlove:661995004746661920>

Damn it’s popular.

@Froggo same

Kale

@Froggo Which year were you born in?

$whois @BosnianDeveloper

xde

Surrrreeeeee

Kek

this server grow so fast

Tru

i like this server

tim is my son

Same. Thank God no one aborted it

we appreciate power

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Wait how do get roles?

@Heterosexual Gamer Monarchist <#604683357397319690> boiii

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you need to deserve em

sir

lol

@⚔📯GoldenSentinel📯⚔ Thanks!

@Ubiquinone do abortion debates arouse you

Did wicked fix the bot?

Yea. I’m very passionate about banning them.

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Wicked doesn't want me as helper as he says that I am a "rule breaker"

Pretty much anyone who says they’re against abortion I’ll vote for them.

Why is it EVERYTIME I WAKE UP. The debate topic is abortion?

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Idc if they’re Hitler

HAH wicked has pp now

@Sᴛᴏʀᴍ because the chat is pro boy breeding

@Jordan Philips Cockram <:peepolove:602623255559405574>

@Ubiquinonewhat if they grow up to be people who support abortion?

Abortion implies heterosexual sex

@Arc was gonna say change ur name but you're being ironic lmao

this mods so gay

yes

mods are gay

duhhhh

Then I know my work succeeded.

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The fact they have a right to live is all I want.

Idc what they turn out to be.

im abit too gay tbh

Hot

^gayest user on here